Abortion.

[Rían]

But having regulations is better than NOT having regulations, don't you think?

[inked]

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=54827

Wow! Protecting the unborn at the UN? Who'd a thunk it?!

See, there are really miraculous events.

[Curubethion]

While voting against the resolution as a whole, the United States voted in favor of Egypt’s first amendment. In their explanation of vote, the US delegates agreed that unborn children deserve protection and urged fellow member states to be as scrupulous in regard to protecting unborn life.

Now that's not ironic.

[Lief Erikson]

Originally Posted by Eärniel

I rethink my opinions constantly, although that doesn't mean they actually change. What if I'm wrong, well what of it? If you're right, then I'll face the consequences one day. If you're wrong, then I'm not likely to know ever whether I was right or wrong. What if? What if anything? I can only go on to the best of my knowledge.

I didn't mean to threaten you with eternal judgment. My point was that if you're wrong, you'll have supported the mass genocide of babies. Because I know you want to do what's right, the consequences of error should give you enormous pause before coming to the conclusion that abortion is valid. It should make you extremely tentative because even if many women suffer socially, economically and physically when giving birth to babies they don't want, this is nowhere near sufficient justification for the mass extermination of innocent people.

Whether or not you're going to be judged shouldn't be your main concern. Looking at the matter in those terms only is selfish. The point is, if I'm wrong about this, then millions of women suffer (though there are plenty of adoption agencies that are open to more babies, and I'm fine with raising taxes as much as is necessary to provide more support to single mothers). If you're wrong, then millions of babies die. Mass murder is far, far more grave an issue than that of some women's economic wellbeing.

Originally Posted by Eärniel

Advanced brains, advanced social structures and self-awareness. Oh, and they're my species, selfishly antropocentric, but there it is.

That's so artificial. It's like calculating the utility of a machine. Humans are more than that.

What do you do with the insane, or the retarded? Still advanced, but less advanced, so do they deserve conditions of the same quality as the rest of humanity? Or what do you do with aged people who are getting senile or slow in the mind and rely on other people to take care of them? Do they deserve the same treatment as the rest of humanity?

You open up the doors to a lot of disturbing questions if you allow the extermination of fetuses on the grounds that they don't fulfill your above requirements for value.

[Tessar]

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