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05-25-2003, 02:37 AM | #1006 |
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The Uniqueness of the Bible
Okay. Entmoot says today is tomorrow, so I'm going to get started tonight. Unfortunately, I have most of this simply copied out of my sources, so a lot of it I'll have to write into the Internet. What I've already written into the Internet, I'll post now.
What I'm posting is a description of the uniqueness of the Bible, things that set it apart from all other books. I am going to not succeed in proving the Bible is the Word of God, but I will accomplish something. Any Atheist might just look at this, say, "I'm glad Christianity is doing so well" and leave. It would be simplistic, but they have no alternative because of their beliefs. The best way for finding out the true reliability of the scriptures is still to come to know God personally. However, what I am posting now might help some people to realize that Christianity may not be "just another religion", and the Bible will be proved to be far more than an ordinary book. So, starting with what I have written. I'll leave the tough stuff for the real tomorrow . Last edited by Lief Erikson : 05-25-2003 at 02:53 AM. |
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1 Written over a 1600 year span. 2 Written over 60 generations. 3 Written by 40 plus authors from every walk of life including kings, peasants, philosophers, fishermen, poets, statesmen, scholars, etc.: Moses, a political leader, trained in the universities of Egypt Peter, a fisherman Amos, a herdsman Joshua, a military general Nehemiah, a cupbearer Daniel, a prime minister Luke, a doctor Solomon, a king Matthew, a tax collector Paul, a Rabbi 4 Written in different places: Moses in the wilderness Jeremiah in a dungeon Daniel on a hillside and in a palace Paul inside prison walls Luke while traveling John on the isle of Patmos Others in the rigors of a military campaign. 5 Written at different times: David in times of war Solomon in times of peace 6 Written during different moods: Some writing from the heights of joy and others from the depths of sorrow and despair 7 Written on three continents: Asia, Africa and Europe 8 Written in three languages: Hebrew: Was the language of the Old Testament. In 2 Kings 18:26-28 called "the language of Canaan." Aramaic: Was the "lingua franca" of the Near East until the time of Alexander the Great (6th century B.C.--4th century B.C.) Greek: New Testament language. Was the international language at the time of Christ. Quote:
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Hmm, this is getting pretty long. And it'll keep getting longer and longer if I go on. I'll finish it tomorrow, if I can.
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Yes, I should be asleep, but I could not sleep too well so I will post this on entmoot then go back to sleep.
Basically LE, what are you trying to say by posting all that you did? As you have already said, nothing that you just posted proves in anyway that the bible is the word of god, quite the contrary really. Written by many many different MEN. Quote:
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Looooong before Christianty those stories were in the torah (still the torah..). then I guess they were renamed the old testament and the new testament was made up (oh sorry, created by men with god whispering in their ear). The two are what is called the bible (right?). I have not read the Kor'an, nor am I really familiar with it, but I have heard that they accept Jesus as a prophet along with the rest and have most, if not all the stories of the bible. other religions and cultures have similar holy books and many similar fables (like flood stories). Not all that unique to christianity alone, but it still is a pretty impressive book. I'm sure that we all know that the bible is the most read book of all time, most published book of all time, translated the most times, first book printed, etc. That is impressive, but what is the point? It is an impressive book.......but that has nothing to do with any of it being the word of god. Its not like those facts are secret, everyone knows them. As for the post with when it was written,how many years it took, the places and people that wrote it - i'm not going to get into how valid it is (i would think that it would be a lot longer than a span of 1600 years....), because it is not that important to me.
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It (religion) just seems like....If you can't bear to think that you aren't "special" and that you will really, really die ...once and for all......pick a religion and have fun pretending. I'm not trying to purposefully ridicule religion, just explain why it seems to be such a incredible, unbelievable, convoluted hassle, not necessary in modern times (for me at least!) Bible thumping preachers who claim the bible is the word of God, crack me up! It is the word of humanity! Whoever said "Religion is the opiate of the masses" (or something like that) was getting quite close! (IMO)
Let me add to this, I don't want to come off as sounding too harsh! Many "religious" people are the nicest humanity has to offer! Many (but not all!) of the teachings of popular religions help people to become "the best" they can be. I naturally gravitate toward some religious people because they are very kind, compassionate, and sincere. Rian, Lief, Gwaimer, Star and others are consistantly the most pleasant people on the moot! I just wish "religion" could keep up with the times and dump the "believe in the in believable" part as the litmus test!
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Here it is easly to debate with me. Based on current chronology of the Old Testament, virtually none of the events prior to Solomon in the Old Testament are accounted for. Not only that, but chronology shows that the Old Testament was derived from Assyria, Babylonia, virtually all the places Israel was conquered by and brought to. It is believed that it learned from them. My Dad's study points otherwise, that they actually learned from the Israelies, and God in his nation affected all the other nations around it. You want to hear how that conclusion is drawn? Quote:
Therefore, it is logical that if his ways are higher than our ways, that some evidence would be seen of that. And the evidence does exist: I'm simply showing that evidence. The evidence that shows the Bible not to be like any other book, as God's Word should not be. Proving the uniqueness of the Bible and its success in the face of insurmountable barriers is to prove it a very extraordinary book. I said from the outset that this doesn't prove the Bible to be the Word of God. However, its creation is astounding, its circulation is incredible (Especially considering the content of the book), its translation, and I will get into more evidences later. But it is plainly apart from all other books, as God's Word should be. This evidence is not proof. But someone looking for truth, as Josh McDowell says, it is very logical to consider looking to a book with these qualifications. I will continue giving more evidences later; they get more interesting, even than these points that set the Bible apart by itself among books. |
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Further more, you are not proving that a deity wrote the bible. Many of the ancient jews were nomadic at different times. They traded for goods with other cultures. Many were captured and moved to the place were they were enslaved. What you are saying is that the bible was passed on through generations of a people and developed over time. This does not prove that it was written by a deity. If you were truely a student of religions you would know that many religions have similar bases and doctrines. (I'm not talking about christian sects.) This doesn't prove that they also were written by the same deity. It proves that societies that interact have an influence on other societies that they interact with. |
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Firing squad?? Oh my, they still do that? And I thought that electrocution was already rather outdated...
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