07-02-2008, 12:43 PM | #1001 |
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Cast science out the window?! Why would you do that?!
ever here of the big bang theory? Billions of atoms all exploding at once everywhere at the same time. The bible says that God said "let there be light" and boom the universe was created (i added the boom cause i like that word) ever hear of fine tuning? like if the stars were any hotter or colder or if we were even a millimeter closer to the sun.....someone was really precise. Theres a million more like these Coffee read "the case for a creator" the author was using reasoning and logic along with science to prove God wrong...hes a believer now. o and Chap stick (im adding to your nick name bro) you are saying that because God is sinless and people once they get to Heaven lose their sin and become what God made them that Mary must be sinless.....twisting the words in the bible i see young padawan lol jk. The title you speck of "full of Grace" do you even know what grace means it is God's way of forgiving us for our sins....whose to say she didn't sin but always came clean about here sins and asked for God's forgiveness? She was 100% born with sin theres no denning that, but she was a great person in the bible so was Paul. Ane when you said "Gpd sent his mother to Egypt" your forgetting Mary was Jesus's (God) mother on earth so that he could become human but did Mary not refer to Him as God and not son? (except when he was going to the cross but she did have that motherly connection with Him since she was involved in raising Him) When Jesus stained behind and they found Him in the temple and he told them "didn't you think to look for me in my Fathers house" was he talking about Joesph? no he was talking about God the father, so his father was God of course. So now by your theory God and Mary were Jesus parents. How could Mary be Gods mother if God has always been even before He became human He was still Jesus right? The reason I agree with and disagree is you are saying that Mary is the Mother of God but she was just the mother of Jesus so he could become human (yes God) but she knew she was not His mother she says it a few times (if i remember right) Back to elijah is John the Baptist. John was the fore told one of elijah not elijah himself...that would say there was recreation and you should know thats not true once in Heaven your there...why would you want to leave its super sweet up there. The woman in revelations is not a human woman but Israel, when it says the dragon is the Anti-christ and when it says he tries to eat the womans child it means the people fleeing Israel because of the mark of the beast...im pretty good with revelations Gods been helping me but im still shaky on some parts. But brother your still wicked awesome and i can't wait to see you in Heaven and then both of us will know the truth (jesus!) o and brother stop pressuring coffee hes clear hes not changing so back off a little and be loving...weather he comes around or not thats Gods doing not yours you can throw as much proof as you want at him but Gods the only one that can change him
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07-02-2008, 12:51 PM | #1002 |
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Get to your post in a moment, Azrael.
In case you're curious, Coffeehouse, here's the article with the picture of the flock of doves. There are seven doves (the symbolic number of perfection in Christian theology), flying in the formation of a sideways cross. This link also has a picture of a Marian apparition from Zeitoun carrying the Christ-child. http://www.zeitun-eg.org/zeitoun1.htm Azrael, I don't think Coffeehouse is annoyed at my posting this evidence and debating with him on this subject. He hasn't expressed aggravation at my posts. If he does, I'll try to modify my behavior, but I don't think I'm bothering him by arguing with him as I am. Am I, Coffeehouse?
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07-02-2008, 12:52 PM | #1003 |
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dude ok this is a big iffy but i got to tell you what i found. It repeated stuff from this Mary and it clearly stating the way to God was through her! go to youtube and type in "mary above a church" and click the one that says demontic mary appertion. True or not heres another thought for you if satan can make an anti-christ why not mary? the catlolics put so much into Mary that he could fool so many...right? this is just a thought
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And, really, I have to say this idea that sin is in the DNA seems a bit foolish. Sin is not a physical thing, it is not something of the body. It is something in the soul. It would seem that the only way he could have had a human nature was to have her DNA. Jesus was not the only one born without original sin; Adam and Eve were, too, so there is precedent for mere man to be devoid of it. (Well, I suppose technically, they weren't BORN without it, they were CREATED without it, but I don't think that would make a difference. ) Jesus was not in her before she was born; the effects of his redemptive sacrifice were. God, after all, is not limited by a silly thing like time. Quote:
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07-02-2008, 12:58 PM | #1005 |
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well you say it does...but you've never seen here....im saying the pictures don't even resemple human of any nature.....and mary holding Jesus? why and how if Jesus is an adult.....something fishy here why would she appear with Jesus as a baby if Hes not a baby?
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07-02-2008, 01:00 PM | #1006 |
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amen! i wish we would that God's word I know well...this stuff I don't hehe sorry haven't gone to a catolic church yet on my travels (o im going to every religions church to learn about them so i can share my faith with them)
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And what I was saying in referring to Jesus, who was fully human, but isn't mentioned as an exception in the "all sin and fall short of the glory of God" passage is that exceptions do evidently exist to this passage. Jesus was an exception. His mother could be an exception too, since Jesus was an exception and wasn't mentioned. The passage doesn't rule out Mary's sinlessness. Quote:
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