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But really Rex, you have argued against a god in the evolution debate threads, and generally shown yourself to be atheistical. Now I'm not saying that all atheists want to destroy the world or anything, so if you're afraid of being categorized like that, I can understand. And of course, there are plenty of specific differences between certain atheists and so on... Quote:
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Here's the problem I see with your side sometimes: a thing is "bad" because it hurts, though a lot of things that hurt may actually be good, like getting a medical shot. Quote:
Sodom or Gamorrah were not bad cities at first I'm sure, but evil things became the norm there. What I'm saying is that evil is not necessarily supressed only because good exists, though that is the reason it is defeated. Quote:
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No, the point isn't whether secularists still believe in good or evil or not, it's whether they are just accepting them just because "thats the way we're going", or something else. And if they do, WHY and HOW they believe in them.
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The reasoning is simple. Until the modern age, people simply didn't have the ability to communicate in such a way that made any form of democracy possible in any area larger than a town.
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Societal evolution.
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Rape is not accepted by us today, but it was accepted almost universally "back in the day". Even by Popes and Priests did it with little recourse, no matter what was written in scripture. What is "right" is what the people in power can get away with. It is not right anymore, not because of scripture, but because they can't get away with it anymore.
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I think this theory falls apart: in earlier America people use to live more "in the woods", occasionally they'd have neighbors. Would you conclude that in a desperate time one of them would kill the other for his stuff, with nobody around to judge? The question is, is the only reason a hermit not murderous or cruel simply because he has no quick access to people? If he did would he kill somebody? Did the owls tell him to do it?
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Forgive me, but I believe you've missed my entire point. I should have worded it better. For whatever reasons he has to be against it, Lief has every right to express his views on homosexual marriage and to vote as he pleases. The fact that he is doing so on religious grounds does not change the fact that he has that right. You say that Lief is imposing his beliefs on people by not allowing them to marry. Well then following on that train of thought, that is the POINT of a Democratic society. If enough people feel the same way, they get to 'impose' their beliefs on everyone else. |
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Absolutely right.
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Lief or anyone else does have the right to vote however they want, but certain votes are completely counter to our constitution and would never hold up in court.
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A lot of people would say that homosexuality should not be allowed for the same reasons that shoving Jews in ovens should not be: because it's wrong.
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Personally the role of evolution is irrelevant of the concept of a god. Just as the role of gravity is irrelevant of the concept of a god so when I talk about evolution I don’t do so to counter religious ideas. Evolution could be part of gods tool box after all. And Im pretty sure Ive said that many times before. And by the way what you probably should have asked is so what are you and not assume atheism right off the bat. Believe it or not agnostics hold widely differing views. Quote:
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Meanwhile your explanation is that being against rape is programmed into us by god but not quite so much that we still don’t see it because oh god wants us to be able to make our own choices about raping or not raping… And that’s why we have an aversion to raping but we still rape… To me that’s nonsensical contortioning and the scientific model makes much more sense. Quote:
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Now that being said you can STILL have cultures and societies where rape is a greater part of the picture then other cultures and societies. But that just goes back to the notion that we will do what best maximizes our ability to pass our genes and survive. Rape is a radical short cut but its also an extreme option so many societies have developed taboos against it and therefore you don’t see it as wide spread in these societies. But then you have old Genghis Khan right? In his society, considering his position, it was well worth it. In effect you could say it was the “moral” thing to do from his point of view. Capturing a city and NOT raping the women might be considered an enormous weakness to everyone. Who knows. It could actually limit your ability to survive in the end. Quote:
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The 1000 reply-limit has been reached and the rest of the conversation has been split off in a new thread. You can continue here: homosexual marriage II. Closing.
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