01-15-2003, 05:07 PM | #81 |
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I just got through rereading the Golden Hall chapter of TTT and seeing the movie again, and I realized that though I'm not disgusted that they killed Haldir, THEY KILLED HAMA! Now that I remember who he is and what he does and says in the book, I cannot believe they did this! Killed by a damn warg no less!
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01-15-2003, 05:28 PM | #82 |
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I know! It's terrible! The wargs were so cute and the mean men were accualy killing them? CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?
Just kidding... scared ya there didn't I? They took away all of Hama's glory! Darn movie makers!...
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01-16-2003, 01:44 AM | #84 |
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Point taken.
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I didn't see any in TTT. If I planted an Easter egg, maybe I'd have Frodo wearing red stockings in the Prancing Pony scene, or have berries on a thorn bush in Mordor.
Can someone throw in an actual Easter egg from TTT?
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01-16-2003, 05:16 AM | #86 |
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I thought that Hama was killed in the book, too. Wasn't there a line that Theoden delivered to Saruman in the Voice of Saruman chapter, recalling how his body was hewed by Saruman's army before the gates of the Burg? cheers d |
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Yes, indeed, Hama was killed (in the book) at Helm's Deep, whilst fighting in front of the gates...
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But it isn't mentioned in the Helm's Deep chapter itself, is it? I haven't had time to past that point. So he did die. But still, he wasn't killed by a made-up warg!
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Granted.
If you haven't read that far, all that is a spoiler for you. BTW - what do you think of the book, seeing as how you've come to it via the film (rather than the other way round)? |
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01-16-2003, 07:59 PM | #90 |
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No, I've already read the book, but it was in 1998. Long enough for all the details to seem new to me.
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1988... that's back in the day Hama did die at Helm's deep, in the book. Maybe he did in the movie too, but it just wasn't focused on his character. (I don't know about his son though. I don't actually think they conscripted people for that battle.)
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01-17-2003, 01:33 AM | #92 |
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No, nineteen NINETY-eight. And in the movie Hama died on the way to Helm's Deep, killed by the very first warg encountered, the scout. They kind of did conscribe/conscript (?) fighters in the book: at Edoras, Theoden calls for every man who can bear arms to get him some to bear. But there's not this focus on little kiddies with battleaxes. In that regard, I read a really good review of the movie by a professional critic who'd actually read the book, who said that all the sequences dwelling on the women and children were not very Tolkien: he'd have cared more about the horses. I thought that was great.
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I didn't see anything about son's sons, but I dunno. If anyone would have a son's son, it'd be Gamling the Old. Was he supposed to be anyone in the movie, do you think? Hopefully not the old guy who can't hold his arrow.
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Argh! 'Nice twist' 'Who is Haldir' *falls on the floor convulsing*. Okay, I will admit that Haldir's death made me cry, as it was very moving.
Answer to who is Haldir: Haldir is the elf who says "The Dwarf breathes so loudly, we could shoot him in the dark," in both the book and the the movie FotR! Then, it TTT movie, he greets Aragorn at Helm's Deep when the elves *twitch* join the battle. Haldir, of course, is not in the book TTT.
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haldir wasnt such a bad fella in the book was he? who was it that said that without haldir the Uruks would have won... well i couldnt say anything because i hadnt seen it then but ive seen it a few times now and how many uruks does it show him killing well i dunno probly 1 the one that hurts him before he is killed. ohhh never mind that Hama was killed in that warg attack how bout his son what a little girl..
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Why, just because he has long hair and is nervous about fighting in his first battle? I can think of plenty of men that would get nervous in that situation, too!
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01-18-2003, 10:43 PM | #100 |
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I didn't find Haldir's death at all moving! I mean, not even a decent death scene with last words! Just a bit of music and a slow-mo. PJ must DIE!
It did nearly make me cry, too - Haldir was one of my favourite Elves. And he owed me a bagel. Lanelf.
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