12-30-2005, 09:04 PM | #81 |
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Actually I'd like to retract the first two sentences of my last post. Entmooters are as human as anyone else. You're not suggesting that germans in the 30's and 40's were inherentely evil or anything like that are you? Certain people here may not have reached the heights of ignorance of those ordinary germans who sold out their fellow country men in Germany long ago, but it's people of that kind of thinking who are ripe for carrying out such a persecution. I believe that ignorance really is the root of all evil. I see it all around. That may not make you comfortable, but I won't dillute my oppinions just to please people.
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Then hate overcame Fëanor's fear, and he cursed Melkor and bade him be gone, saying 'Get thee gone from my gate, thou jail-crow of Mandos!' And he shut the doors of his house in the face of the mightiest of all dwellers in Eä. Last edited by Captain Stern : 12-30-2005 at 09:16 PM. |
12-30-2005, 09:32 PM | #82 |
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More true colours! People who take on the game of playing devil's advocate always run the risk of being mistaken for the devil themselves. You gotta pay 2 play; isn't that right Stern?
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12-30-2005, 09:44 PM | #83 | |
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Yet more rebuttals without any evidence to back them up. What exactly are these true colours that you see? I play Devil's advocate and, since the subject in question is a sensitive one, you can find no other conclusion that I myself am the devil. Personally, I think you're the one who's shown her true colours by resorting to anger (which has no place in any discussion) then not apologizing for it, and resorting (for popular effect no doubt) to reffering to one who you disagree with as 'that one', something which I myself find quite pompous.
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Then hate overcame Fëanor's fear, and he cursed Melkor and bade him be gone, saying 'Get thee gone from my gate, thou jail-crow of Mandos!' And he shut the doors of his house in the face of the mightiest of all dwellers in Eä. Last edited by Captain Stern : 12-30-2005 at 09:45 PM. |
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I wasn't comparing them to nazis, but to the ordinary german people who turned on their jewish neighbours. Quote:
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12-30-2005, 10:28 PM | #86 | |
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Oh, and how am I going to "apologise" for speaking my mind yesterday? You yourself say that you "won't dillute my oppinions just to please people." Great! By all means, don't! But don't expect everyone else to bow in deference to your viewpoints when you can't show them the same respect you demand for yourself. |
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It gives public support to the victim by making the situation black and white to most people. Retaliating makes the whole dispute more gray. Non-retaliation makes the rightness of the victim's cause much less deniable. It also enables a person to recognize that the bullies are people rather than enemies, and that respect and perspective are important for anyone. Like Lotesse said, if one does not respect others, it's hard to get them to respect you. And if you respect them in response for their not respecting you, then others will respect you all the more, because you have shown strength when it is most difficult and have left room for peace and reconciliation.
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12-30-2005, 11:03 PM | #89 |
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It is clear that this topic cannot continue the way that is going. This has turned into a flame fest now. Feel free to PM me with any questions or comments. Whatever Lief intended by this topic - this clearly is not it.
As I am closing this, a few of you are currently replying - I'm sorry about that. Feel free to PM me what you were going to post in this topic if I closed it before you got a chance to hit reply.
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