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Whoops, you are right, half-uncle is correct.
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She wasn't obsessed with Fëanor's (half-uncle is correct, btw) deeds nor with him. She just saw him for what he was, that made her dislike him. (She was very wise.)
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04-22-2003, 11:21 PM | #83 |
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I agree. She saw him as he was, hateful, and breeding hateful sons.
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Inderjit, I see your point that pre-oath sons of Feanor were quite different from post-oath sons of Feanor. And I see your point that the oath changed them, somewhat in their personality.
However, I have to point out that there had to be a seed of malice within them for the oath to fertilize. Feanor was not a meek and mild Elf in Aman. It would be safe to say that his sons would follow in his footsteps, wanting his approval. That's what children do. They try to be like dad, or mom, to win the approval of their parent. As for his followers in the mass exit from Aman, many followed because they were stirred by his words. Some went on the journey, not because they followed him but because of their loyalty to kin (be that kin him or others) and could not be parted from that kin. Galadriel did not follow Feanor because she wanted to obtain the Silmarils. She did so because she was restless, she wanted to see ME, and she wanted a rule of her own. Finrod followed because of his close bond with his cousins, not because of Feanor. |
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Hateful Sons
Here, I am speaking only of Celegorm and Curufin, because of their actions in Nargothond.
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Back to Fëanor...
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In the later versions, Galadriel was going to ME with Celeborn, but the whole rebellion occurred and she was caught in the Doom of Mandos too. As for FF, he followed the rebellion because he thought that his loyalty towards his cousins greater than his loyalty to his father. Ironically, that is something that Fëanor would have done.
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Isn't that what I said?
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Tolkien wanted that all the history of the Ancient Ages were consistent with what he had published in LOTR, so i think that he woud have reject that version if he had the time.
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I dunno. I kind of like it that Galadriel was planning on leaving, anyway, and then got caught up in the whole rebellion thing and received the Ban of the Valar as a result. One more thing to chalk up against Feanor, from Galadriel's point of view. About Celeborn, that would have been easy to change, IMHO.
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I (heehee) agree about Celeborn.
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Ah, but it was more than his petulance in asking for a lock of her hair. She percieved him for who he really was, in all his weaknesses.
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Feanor begged repeatedly for a tress of her hair, and was given nothing- while Gimli, upon humbly requesting a single hair, was given three. Incidentally... Galadriel was the tallest of the Noldor women, and she was given a height of two Rangar- 6'4". That was /average/ height for men during the second age.
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