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Hunh. I wonder where I got greek from. Nevermind, I'll just go and do the obligatory bog-wash now. Latin it is (like duh, romans = latin.)
Ah, this is why: http://www.keyway.ca/htm2003/20031108.htm
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Well actually, Mary was played by a jewish woman, and Gibson went to her oftento see if he was doing everything right, he said he wanted the most Semitic Mary and Jesus they've ever seen!
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Biblically, the Jews were the ones who wanted Jesus killed, in fact, Pontius Pilate, the Roman Governor, did not really want to kill Jesus. However, both biblically and in the movie, the Romans wre much more brutal with Jesus, though the temple guards and Herod's men beat Jesus as well.
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(Since I didn't watch the movie, I'll bring it from a newspaper. I think these are facts.) "If you are one of the Jews that resisted Jesus at the time you look terrible in the movie... they are portrayed as covertous, bloodthirsty and revengeful, and not saying anything intelligent during the movie except repeating religious sayings. They look clearly as people who wanted Jesus dead. The only 'good' jews are the believers of Jesus that follow him..." "The Jews are described in the as a bloodthirsty mob, and the Romans are described as enlightened, merciful rulers, that were diverted to crucify (sp.) Jesus without really wanting it." |
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I meant Mary as in Jesus' mother Mary, who played a big part in the film.
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As well, upper-class Romans were usually very fluent in Greek- Pontius Pilate, for example, would almost certainly have been using Greek rather than Latin to communicate with the locals- the educated Jews would also be proficient.
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But, if I was Christian, and therefore believing the Old + New Testamnet, I would've thought Jesus 'meant' to be from the Jewish people. And it makes sense I guess. |
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02-27-2004, 03:52 PM | #91 |
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I think Rian has put it very well, as usual. I haven't seen it, but it is my understanding that what actually happened was that the Jewish LEADERS wanted Him out of the way -- they wanted it proved to the people that He wasn't divine, because His teachings went against their practices, or at least made them look bad in the eyes of the Jewish people. The Jewish PEOPLE would naturally have been divided. Some were or became believers and were the first Christians (along with a few Gentiles, but it was mainly Isrealites [and Romans, of course] living in occupied Isreal, right?). Some would have been skeptical, and still others would believe Him to be heretical (is that a word that could be used for the Jewish faith?). So it is stupid to say THE JEWS killed Him. But because of the fact that those were "His people," it would make sense that the crowd would be made up mostly of Jews. I think the Romans didn't mind him being out of the way (so they thought ), either, because they feared He wanted to cause a rebellion, which is what the Jews believe the Messiah will do (free the people from oppression, which is why many Jews did NOT accept Him as the Messiah, because He didn't do that, in terms of political freedom, anyway. IOW, their version of freedom was not His version).
As I said, I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know how it looks, but although it only makes sense that Jews would make up the bulk of the condemning crowd, it shouldn't be portrayed as a blanket of blame layed upon all Jews. ALL the people there, Jew, Gentile, believers and non-believers alike, turned their backs on Him. He was alone on the cross, and every person bears some of the blame. |
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I'm going to see the movie tommorow. It looks really good and I think Mel Gibson did a good job of making it. I know I am going to cry the entire movie, not only because how brutaly(sp?) Jesus was killed, but also because it really happened.
I agree with what Rian said, it wasnt just the Jews that killed Him. It was all of us really.
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02-28-2004, 02:33 AM | #96 |
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You know if this is all anyone is getting out of the movie, than the entire point of the movie is being missed. The point is not about who killed Jesus. The point is what Christ endured for us. In the words of the hymn writer Charles Wesley:
And can it be that I should gain An interest in the Savior’s blood? Died He for me, who caused His pain— For me, who Him to death pursued? Amazing love! How can it be, That Thou, my God, shouldst die for me? Amazing love! How can it be, That Thou, my God, shouldst die for me? When Jesus hung on the cross he had the sins of the entire world on his shoulders, past, present, and future. The point of the movie is "What are you going to do with Jesus?"
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It would NOT have worked to have the Old Testament events happen to Jews, then have Jesus born among the Celts. The OT and NT work together really beautifully, and the people must be the same people. Does that make more sense? I could be wrong, but I don't think the idea is wrong. All I'm trying to say is that WHOEVER God chose to be His special people, THOSE PEOPLE (not all of them, tho) would have been wanting to put him to death. But I think God made a good choice for what people Jesus came from - the Jews are a pretty feisty, passionate people.
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