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10-02-2003, 04:16 PM | #81 |
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Just bringing this to the top for "old scholar".
Tom was a character in a children's poem. After the success of the Hobbit, JRRT was asked for another book. He originally suggested a reworking of Tom Bombadil. The idea must have stayed with him while he developed the LotR. The children's poem was inspired by a doll brought back from the Netherlands by an aunt and rescued for the youngest boy after the older boy (now a priest) attempted to flush it down a toilet (?). The doll had a blue coat and yellow boots. It's really a cool topic.
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10-03-2003, 07:48 AM | #82 |
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Goldberry described Bombadil with the words 'he is'; Bombadil described himself by saying that he had been since there had been hills and trees and streams...I can't really remember. So I'd say he was a subject born *of* the woods and the Earth, Goldberry the 'River-daughter'. Not quite Maiar, because the Ring would have effected him then. Not near human, he just...was.
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10-03-2003, 03:05 PM | #83 | |
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02-10-2007, 09:32 PM | #84 |
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I think we need to talk about Tom Bombadil more often.
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02-12-2007, 10:25 AM | #85 | |
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02-12-2007, 10:42 AM | #86 |
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03-16-2007, 07:57 PM | #87 |
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Tolkien himself has stated that Tom Bombadil is NOT Eru Ilúvatar, so that theory fails.
Tom Bombadil doesn't fit into the character of any race in Arda, and this makes him an extremely exciting character. |
03-16-2007, 11:21 PM | #88 | |
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Even Gandalf, not the highest on maiar's hierarchy, at least two times was handling the Ring without any ill effect.
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It seems to me that Bombadil is not effected by the ring simply becuase the ring doesn't apply to him.
It has no hold over it, but he cannot use it (Any use beond decoration at least) I beleave it is once said the Bambadil is not of Middle Earth...
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03-17-2007, 09:12 PM | #91 | |
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I stand by what I said in this thread many years ago...
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03-18-2007, 11:07 AM | #93 | |
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Actually, that letter is what I based my statement upon, but I would bold a different part...
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03-18-2007, 12:10 PM | #94 |
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03-18-2007, 01:02 PM | #95 |
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Heh. I like your theory BJ. Tom is happy with this lot, and this makes him invulnerable.
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03-19-2007, 01:10 PM | #96 |
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Just an idea. He could be Eru? Since the ring doesn't effect him and he has always been .
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03-19-2007, 07:22 PM | #98 |
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Did he though?
At what point? Seems to me he did in a revisionist way. I still think a form of that is implied , but in partial degree. Hence the mystery... and deliberate at that. Read between the lines and a partial middle earth form or incarnation ,as it were, seems to me the best post-revisionist take... best, BB |
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