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yes, it's called a description of the perpetrator |
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#81 |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Oct 2004
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What we really mean is.......
***************************************** From MEMRI, via Robert Spencer at Jihadwatch: The following are excerpts from interviews with the director of the Al-Maqreze Centre for Historical Studies, Dr. Hani Al-Siba'i. The first aired on Al-Jazeera TV on July 8, 2005; in it, Al-Siba'i discussed the London bombings. The London Bombings Al-Siba'i: "I think that British Prime Minister Tony Blair made a grave error when he spoke before the investigation and claimed that the perpetrators of these acts were acting in the name of Islam. I think that he will pay the price for this grave error in the future. No possibility should be ruled out. We do not rule out the possibility that it was done by the intelligence agency of another Western country hostile to Britain. We do not rule out countries... or some Zionist Americans who wanted to overshadow the G-8 summit. But at the same time, we do not rule out the Al-Qa'ida organization. It's been claimed that Al-Qa'ida died in Afghanistan, and was buried in the caves there. And behold: it was resurrected after the American occupation of Iraq. Moreover, Al-Qa'ida controls the war agenda in Iraq. It is the Al-Qa'ida organization in the Land of the Two Rivers [Iraq], headed by Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi, that imposes its policies, to the extent that the Egyptian government was forced to... It was forced to recall [its ambassador], and other countries are afraid to send ambassadors there."... Host: "Mr. Hani, make no mistake. The same assembly ruled that Jihad in Iraq is allowed against soldiers. Even Sheik Osama [sic.] Al-Makdisi, Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi's mentor... Okay. Abu Hani, okay... He asked Al-Zarqawi not to kill civilians and to attack only the Americans... I mean, only soldiers..." Al-Siba'i: "The term 'civilians' does not exist in Islamic religious law. Dr. Karmi is sitting here, and I am sitting here, and I'm familiar with religious law. There is no such term as 'civilians' in the modern Western sense. People are either of Dar Al-Harb or not... Host: "Excuse me, who do you want to promote? Those who want the banner of 'There is no god but Allah' over the Queen of England and Buckingham Palace? Those who want to establish a caliphate and turn the Queen of England into a captive? Those who say [England] is Dar Al-Harb and property there can be plundered? Are those the kind of people you want?" Al-Siba'i: "These associations do not represent the Muslim public. They collaborate with the British police for certain interests. They want an 'English Islam,' and not the Islam that was sent to the Prophet Muhammad. If Al-Qa'ida indeed carried out this act, it is a great victory for it. It rubbed the noses of the world's eight most powerful countries in the mud. This victory is a blow to the economy..." ***************************************** In other words, those of us living in the Dar al-Harb, the "world of war" outside the Muslim realm, are all infidels and therefore fair game for the faithful. _________________________________________________ Now, that is what is known as truth-in-advertising. Home-grown or exported, Islam is not now, nor has it ever been a religion of peace, nor does it intend to be. And it is legitimate to lie to those not of Islam to achieve this goal. ![]() Note that this interviewer and interviewee hold the position that those who hold a less strict interpretation are NOT true members of Islam. The implication is that they are equally targets when the "real" believers strap on their plastique. This is what the West is dealing with. OF course, Israel first, if it can be managed per HAMAS: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...111238,00.html
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Spammer of the Happy Thread
Join Date: Dec 2003
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damn.. that's all i have to say now. i hope there were no serious injuries, like the rumours are now.
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#83 |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Durham, England
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Detonators only, they seem to think, no explosives. Very strange.
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#84 |
An enigma in a conundrum
Join Date: Oct 1999
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They've Struck Again
News Alert, Four More Bombs Set Off In London Transit System Today, Subways And Bus......nothing Further Known At This Time.
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Lady of Letters
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England
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It doesn't look too serious at the moment, hopefully. I was just in London yesterday - this is so weird
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Narnia
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Only one person injured today, thank God.
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#87 |
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Maryland, US
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brown are you back in the building?
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Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Dec 2001
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Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever. |
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#89 |
An enigma in a conundrum
Join Date: Oct 1999
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Notice To All Posters
THIS THREAD HAS BEEN SPLIT
WE NOW HAVE A THREAD ENTITLED RELIGIOUS Debate on Terroristm-who, why, etc. USE THIS THREAD TO DISCUSS CHRISTIANITY VS KORAN VS BARBARIC CULTURES VS WESTERN CIVILIZATION ETC. Hopefully this will be the last time this thread has to be divided.
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#90 |
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Reality
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only a few days back and already splitted
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#91 |
An enigma in a conundrum
Join Date: Oct 1999
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Yep, I am trying to keep things compartmentalized.
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#92 |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: here and there
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it's underground not subways!
![]() so, what happened to the old thread - any update yet, if it can be recovered? ![]() best all BB Last edited by Butterbeer : 07-22-2005 at 04:52 PM. |
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#93 |
An enigma in a conundrum
Join Date: Oct 1999
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REPEATING POST # 89
WE NOW HAVE A THREAD ENTITLED ***RELIGIOUS Debate on Terroristm-who, why, etc.*** In addition to this **Multiple Explosions in London** and ***2005 How do we deal with Terrorists*** IT IS HOPED that these will channel some of the diatribe and more vitriolic commentsl into more appropriate channels. The former threads proved unretrievable by tech support. Last edited by Spock : 07-22-2005 at 05:00 PM. Reason: more |
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#94 |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: here and there
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Hi spock ... look i didn't in ANY way mean to be IN ANY WAY confrontational or anything .. quite the opposite ... i just wondered if there was any update on if the old thread could be recovered ... (as i was told it was still hoped it might be ...) and it was personal to no-one ..
i am suprised by your post there (honestly) ... i was just trying to catch up on this thread, which does interest me ... sorry but i had only read the old one ... not being funny or anything but it takes a lot of time to catch up on these things is all ... ![]() EDIT add: i just read your post again - it was irretrievable - Ok - these things happen - did not previously know that! Thta's all i was wondering, man. Ps i never said anything vitriolic against you on this ... please do not make this personal for 2 good reasons, 1) there's no need (genuinely) and 2) i'm in no mood for it ![]() so best to you .. BB and calm down! ![]() Last edited by Butterbeer : 07-22-2005 at 05:24 PM. |
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#95 |
Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!)
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Not where I want to be ...
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I heard about this while in Ecuador but couldn't post, so I wanted to post now and send my condolences to the families and friends of the victims and to any Mooters that were affected by this tragedy.
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#96 |
Lady of Letters
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England
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They now think they've arrested all four of the bombers from the second round of attempted attacks: Police question bombing suspects
Amazing stuff - armed raids in London are becoming a frequent sight.
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And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool. Last edited by sun-star : 07-30-2005 at 03:00 AM. |
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