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Couldn't fit it in a book, BB.
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02-09-2007, 06:29 AM | #82 |
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Ah, a mini series eh?
........................... Ok, so there is no doubt that even in recordable human history there is reasonably significant climate change throughout the last 2,000 years or so, or that archelogical data from *ahem* Time team ..shows us that Bronze age settlements all looked like the same computer models as every other period in time or place ... ( - sorry got distracted there) ... that southern English bronze age (or somet old anyway) had much warmer and wetter cilmates (the proof is out there - but ye'll get no links from me ya lazy bunch!) However - this is but one factor of the current debate isn't it? It is a given volcanoes are pretty high up on the ecobrakeCowpower factor - you would probably need a motorcycle cow-pyramid team that even evilkeneevil in his most wild dreams would laugh at, to represent that on ya average methane Cow fart scale - a bovine richter scale? (BRS) ..or a bovine richter methane scale? (BRMS) ??? BUT isn't the whole point not that natural change occurs - but that our small (current relative) BUT GROWING percentage of pollution is both enough to be the small but crucial percentage change that tips that delicate balance? The fear is that it sets off a snowball effect - a runaway Snowman at the top of a step hill - without a scarf! Think of the carrot! The point is, with massive population growth, which all can see, if unchecked, will eventually be unsustainable in itself, massive power usage, massive Global Industrialisation etc ..massive travel, cars, trains, planes and Steve martin movies - it really doesn't take an IQ much above 42 to decide that the future needs, at the very minimum, a modicum of afore thought. Run into that factors of at the very minmum a very credible chance that we are artificially speeding this up - and natural or not ..the effects this will mean to us humans and our lives and economies and etc - whether natural or man-made ... and at the very least - the doubting Thomases had better sit up and think about growing some replacement carrots! ..................................... (Wotcha El Tel btw! Tolkienfan - yeah i like Terry Pratchett - do you?) .................................... Last edited by Butterbeer : 02-09-2007 at 06:43 AM. |
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Ever the diplomat, BB.
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02-09-2007, 08:21 AM | #84 | |
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Quote: Present-day carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from subaerial and submarine volcanoes are uncertain at the present time. Gerlach (1991) estimated a total global release of 3-4 x 10E12 mol/yr from volcanoes. This is a conservative estimate. Man-made (anthropogenic) CO2 emissions overwhelm this estimate by at least 150 times. Come on, a conservative estimate, hmmmm...I wonder how conservative. From what I have been learning, anything pushed in the media, bird flu, global warming, presidential canidates (Burack Obama my @$$) the opposite is true. Time to get suffisticated. Do you realize that green peace and most other humanitarian watch groups are founded by the big oil companies? I don't believe anything some low life in a suite comes on the tv and says, I am not impressed; my advise to you, stop being impressed. Saw a featured news report on the news the other day about how common autism is. It has increased by 273%: stop giving your children vaccines. The movie children of men...no woman can have children? How you suppose such a thing could possibly happen? Perhaps if they get us all getting into the routine of taking vaccines until they deem enough of us are, so they can just poison us all in one single stroke. Get suffisticated. I don't know what else to say, it's chess not checkers; you need discernment.
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It takes all the fun out of these debates
when the Gaffer posts, and all that's left to me is to follow him around saying ITA
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02-09-2007, 10:31 AM | #90 | |
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lol, I know you do.
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02-09-2007, 10:38 AM | #91 | |
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But Tel, may I call you Tel?
You accepted a news report about the increase in autism.
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Go to theological opinions thread...
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02-09-2007, 11:22 AM | #94 |
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I'm sorry about your friend.
But that's not a statistic relating autism to vaccinations. Even with a sample size of two, not twins? Assuming not twins, you'd have to show that the elder was vaccinated and became autistic due to vaccinations. That's reportable as an "adverse reaction" to vaccination, and one of the reasons a doctor would accept not to vaccinate other children. However,somewhere during this process, the younger was vaccinated also and also became autistic. In your sample, 100% of the children vaccinated became autistic. That kind of number would attract everyone's attention.
Let me say, here, that injecting mercury laden viruses into children strikes me as a bad idea. But there are a lot of things that are commonly done that strike me as bad ideas. I might use my sense of one of those to design a test for it. If I designed and performed the test well, it might begin to be science, particularly if other people could replicate the test and get the same results. But it isn't science when the notion occurs. |
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The only problem being that all the observational studies done on this show there is no relationship between vaccines and autism. For example, in a Finnish study they followed a cohort of 13 million people (count 'em!) and found no correlation with the MMR vaccine.
However, studies DO show that autism is on the increase though. That is partly down to greater detection, but frankly we don't know what the cause is. By the way, el Tel, you should check out Prof Wakefield, the bloke who linked MMR vaccine with autism. Basically it was found (one of his researchers dobbed him in) that he falsified his results to create a media furore and boost the shareholder value of his spin-out company specialising in "safe" vaccines. He was hounded out of the UK and now plies his lies in the US... But why that should mean that global warming isn't happening ... oh wait, we're agreed that it IS happening * Pauses to celebrate progress * ... why that should mean that global warming isn't caused by human activity is a mystery to me. Quote:
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Related to global warming because it is the same agenda and misinformation machine
sisterandcousinandaunt, they are twins ok, the children are twin boys.
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Oh, dear.
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Oh and there is also speculation that there may be volcanic activity on Pluto. Stay tuned...
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It's the author of the linked-to article (and you, seemingly) that jump to the conclusion that it must be the sun. I would hesitate to call that very scientific. If the people actively studying these planets and celestial bodies say there isn't enough data, then there isn't enough data to make any decent scientific conclusion or even hypothesis. Basically, it's only a guessing game. Quote:
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fight nuclear waste and the danger of nuclear catastrophes; chernobyl did not tickle.
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