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We all know the US isn't the only country who has a death penalty.
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I didn't know Europeans protested when you have an execution. This caused me to look for a list of all countries who still have it. Though a lot of executions occur in the US, from what I found on the Amnesty International site, China and Iran have more. Yugoslavia and Russia are the only European countries on the list. Maybe they don't get protested because they're not in the EU.
Countries who still have the death penalty: AFGHANISTAN ALGERIA ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA ARMENIA BAHAMAS BAHRAIN BANGLADESH BARBADOS BELARUS BELIZE BENIN BOTSWANA BURKINA FASO BURUNDI CAMEROON CHAD CHILE CHINA COMOROS CONGO (Democratic Republic) CUBA DOMINICA EGYPT EQUATORIAL GUINEA ERITREA ETHIOPIA GABON GHANA GUATEMALA GUINEA GUYANA INDIA INDONESIA IRAN IRAQ JAMAICA JAPAN JORDAN KAZAKSTAN KENYA KUWAIT KYRGYZSTAN LAOS LEBANON LESOTHO LIBERIA LIBYA MALAWI MALAYSIA MAURITANIA MONGOLIA MOROCCO MYANMAR NIGERIA NORTH KOREA OMAN PAKISTAN PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY PHILIPPINES QATAR RUSSIAN FEDERATION RWANDA SAINT CHRISTOPHER AND NEVIS SAINT LUCIA SAINT VINCENT AND GRENADINES SAUDI ARABIA SIERRA LEONE SINGAPORE SOMALIA SOUTH KOREA SUDAN SWAZILAND SYRIA TAIWAN TAJIKISTAN TANZANIA THAILAND TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO TUNISIA TURKMENISTAN UGANDA UKRAINE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES UNITED STATES OF AMERICA UZBEKISTAN VIET NAM YEMEN YUGOSLAVIA (Federal Republic) ZAMBIA ZIMBABWE List from here.
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02-12-2004, 01:58 AM | #84 |
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You know everyone, there is a death penalty thread floating around here somewhere. We are somewhat off topic, and it is expected in this case, but we need to focuss a bit more on the topic and includee it in the discussion.
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Isn't the death penalty also contingent upon each State? I mean, there are some states here in the US without the death penalty right? I'm trying to remember, but I can't remember if that's the way it is or not. I think it is, can someone corroborate this?
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Sorry SGH, see you all in the "Death Sentence" thread!
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I believe that's correct Dunedain. I know Ohio had no death penalty for several years and then it was reinstated in the late 70's early 80's IIRc.
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States with the death penalty... Alabama Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Delaware Florida Georgia Idaho Illinois Indiana Kentucky Louisiana Maryland Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Mexico North Carolina Ohio Oklahoma Oregon Pennsylvania South Carolina Tennessee Texas Utah Virginia Washington Wyoming States with death penalty but no executions since 1976... Connecticut - 1960 Kansas - ? New Hampshire - 1939 New Jersey - 1963 New York - 1963 South Dakota - ? States without the death penalty.. Alaska Hawaii Iowa Maine Massachusetts Michigan Minnesota North Dakota Rhode Island Vermont West Virginia Wisconsin Quote:
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Yeah I know, I explained what I meant better in the "Death sentence thread".
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I can discuss it if it wasn't always argued how terrible the US is for having the death penalty by outsiders who don't even understand our laws.
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"If people would stop trying to find offence in everything - they may find that most people are NOT offensive nor racist. If a person searches for it around every corner - they are bound to perceive it where none actually exists."-jerseydevil i think if you replace the words "offensive nor racist" with "anti-american" you will get the idea
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No doubt lots of people have clearer thoughts than I do on this topic, but here's what I think:
1) In order to be just, the law should be consistent, that is it should be applied in the same way for everyone. 2) Emotions are, by definition, subjective. 3) Different people have different emotional reactions to the same situation. 4) Therefore, laws based on emotions would be inconsistent, and therefore unjust. I'm not quite sure what you mean by rape being an emotional crime; I think that people who've been victims of it would disagree. |
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I never used the "Anti-American" label. I just said I was tired of outsiders criticizing the US for our internal affairs when they have no understanding of our laws. Most non-Americans had no idea about state laws and how the death penalty and other laws were determined by the states and NOT by the federal government. As far as I'm concerned - it's up to Florida to determine what happens to the killer. I'll worry about New Jersey - that is where I live.
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As you said - different people have different emotional reactions. This factor is minimized by requiring a unanimous decision by the jury. I went through the process for being a juror on a death penalty case and I learned a lot about what it takes.
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now - can we get back onto the subject of the killing in Florida. BTW - I mentioned this to SGH tonight - I find it funny how many people on this board are outraged by the death penalty and people suggesting torture for carlie's killer - yet some of these same people have spoken about torture for pedophilias and sexual predators.
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Your point being?
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