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All, IR makes good points on the broadness and levels of usage of the word "love" in English. This is a defect in the language. The Greek uses 4 different words for which love may be a translation.
THE FOUR LOVES by CS Lewis addresses this difficulty at some length. For clarification I note the Greek words and the differentiations they allow. (There are quite possibly more as in there being in Eskimo cultures some 32 words for which "snow" could be inadequately used as a translation, for instance.) storge - affection or love of family or the familiar as in persons and objects eros - the passions, not limited to sexuality, but including it philia - the love between individuals based on identity of interests and concerns, freely chosen; friendship agape - disinterested love which desires the best for the object and flows from the Lover to the Beloved as gift; the King James Version used "charity" for this distinction and it is most eloquently known in I Corinthians 13 The point of this is that we use love in English to cover these concepts which are clearly differentiated. So we often add modifiers to attempt the distinction we mean to employ. No couple in the throws of infatuation really means by "we are in love" what a married couple of 20 years duration means, nor what the child means when saying "I love hot dogs and pizza" nor what the artist means by "I love this piece". So, we have to exercise care in the use of the word in English.
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Thanks for the linguistic info., inked I think the Lewis books will be the next on my list
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And frankly, who are we to say what the songs are all about. I think they can be highly complex. the fact that a caged bird will sing beautiful songs when there is no one around to hear their songs tells us something. that just like humans the bird is doing it for the sake of doing it. because they feel some need to. just like art! the INSTINCT to communicate. Whether that communication is what you consider "deep" or simple its still all communication. And if you analyze it deeper then that it is brain excercise really. But everyone does it differently. Of course we humans think we do it best. Because we are human. It fits for us. Im guessing the bird would disagree.
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Reminds me of Lizzy's admonition to Darcy when he said he wasn't good at talking to people!
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1. How do you know?
2. If true, how does that make us superior to all animals?
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1-As I've said before, because the communication systems we detected so far seem to stem from basic instincts only: hunger, survival, reproduction, etc...
2-Because that would prove that we have a soul and animals don't, are capable of differentiating good and evil (whatever our definition of them is) and animals are not, are capable of being individuals and animals are not and finally are able to have this kind of conversation in the first place. |