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I only saw one thing that bothered me... just for an instant in the editing. It was when Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas and Gmili are walking towards Theoden Gandalf's staff is lowered in almost every angle except the one from behind them (the first time?). I am sure there's a few more editing glitches... but given that they spend several days filming these very complex scenes, it's amazing that they can get all of the editing done well.
I do wish they would have first shown the scene with Aragon with his head to the ground tracking the Uruk-Hai before we saw Merry and Pippin. It was confusing to my husband who has never read the book. But, as complex as the Tolkien's work is it's hard make everything pure and still move the story along in a movie. As far as following the books PJ did try to adhere when he felt he could... as loose as the TTT movie was, it did move the storyline along by the end... well almost to the end of TTT book and a few great big RotK lines said by other characters that move the story along better on screen (i.e. Grima saying a few of Gandalf's lines from RotK to Eowyn, and Aragorn and Eowyn's interaction on "A cage")... I can't wait to see Eowyn in the RotK. Who says Tolkien had a purely masculine perspective...she's truly a mover and shaker of her time... ;-) Quote:
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01-04-2003, 01:04 PM | #82 |
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That reminds me... If Aragorn could 'hear' the vibrations of the orcs running a days journey ahead, the n shouldn't he easily have guessed that a large group on horseack was approaching before they were practically on top of them? Maybe he has to lie down to do it...?
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01-04-2003, 01:40 PM | #83 | |
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In the book they tracked Uruk-Hai by the "messy" trail they left behind...solving the riddles as they went along. There was no need to listen to the ground... until nightfall with no moon... then, Aragorn says, "Where sight fails the earth may bring rumour,"... after some time he says, "The rumour of the earth is dim and confused...Nothing walks upon it for many miles about us. Faint and far are the feet of our enemies. But loud are the hoofs of the horses..." he thought it was a dream at first... A day (or two) Later we learn the sound of horses were the Riders of Rohan... (Legolas was first to spot them with his keen eyes miles away). I don't know what PJ was doing with the "listening to vibrations of Aragorn," but it does seem inconsistant that Aragorn did not hear horsemen as well. Perhaps it was one of the those "time" issues with a already 3-hour movie or he didn't want to confuse an "unread" audience with a new element. I do think the movie should have been a bit "tighter" in the beginning at least. But maybe knowing the book so well hinders my ability to discern. Thanks for the reply... eowyngirl14! |
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01-04-2003, 03:15 PM | #84 |
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Gerbil, here is a quote from Appendix A (I had looked it up last night because I had the same thought ):
"...Arwen became as a mortal woman, and yet it was not her lot to die until all that she had gained was lost." To me that says that she was indeed destined to die, but because of her elvishness she did have a longer life span than normal, and it so happened that she outlasted Aragorn. After he went, she, as I'm sure you remember, went to empty Lorien and eventually "laid herself to rest," kind of choosing her time to die just as Aragorn had. |
01-04-2003, 04:37 PM | #85 |
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On the trip from Edoras to Helms Deep I noticed that Eowyn was wearing a long sleeved dress with a fur collar and carried no baggage. Then as she entered Helms Deep she has on a jumper and a basket is strapped to her back.
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lacemkr90, maybe she is just special, and is the only one who gets to change cloths?! The fur collar dress thing looked a little like a coat/overdress/thingy to me... maybe she just got hot and took it off. Also her pack could have been on one of the horses, and then she had to remove it when all of the men road off to fight the wargs... but there is no logical reason behind why Peter Jackson would do that... good catch! I didn't notice that!
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Hey Eowyngirl14, that is precisely the reason i hate Eowyn. She tries to steal Aragorn with her teary little eyes. Grrrrr-bark! Get your filthy hands off him girl !!!
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I think this discussion might end up somewhere else... since it is getting off topic. But Eowyn is a different dimension of womanhood than Arwen. Arwen didn't have the huge oppression around her like Eowyn. (Although Arwen did lose her mother to Orcs) Her response to isolation and dotage (not to mention a wizard wanna be speaking spells to her as well) probably saved her sanity in the end. In comes "knight in shining armor" Aragorn... and she was awestruck.
****Spoiler for Rotk***** Then later ends up with Faramir... some on another site call this foul... but I don't so... I'll put my reply below... I think Eowyn is more emotionally balanced than even Tolkien leads us to believe at first. Faramir (who Tolkien I've heard is the character in the LotR that is most like himself) is both wise, valiant, and a good judge of character. He would not have taken Eowyn as his wife if she did not demonstrate both loyality and love to him. I'm sure he could have had his pick of many women to marry. I think it was to Eowyn's credit that she "Got over it" and moved on in her life. Many people just sit around and mourn their loss. (I know, I know... it also forever ties together Men of Gondor with The Rohirrim as well, but I still think is beside the point) more... Aragorn says something that leads me to believe (in the book) that, although he greatly admired Eowyn, he wasn't capable of loving her... In other words, there is really never a love triangle and I don't think PJ goes over the line on this..... for example, Quote:
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What does 'dotage' mean?
Sorry, ya, you definetly have a point there! Thankyou for posting that, I understand it a lot better now, but Eowyn still should have gotten Aragorn!
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The battle for Aragorn...
dotage - A deterioration of mental faculties; senility. (Theoden)
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Re: The battle for Aragorn...
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Well..theres this site where they have like 90 of them, but the one i noticed is where legolas does the really cool swingy thingy on top of the horse when their fighting the orcs with the kingdom of roham on the way to helms deep. Legolas swings on behind gimli, and in the next scene, hes in front of him. I also notice that he didnt have his contacts on for some of the time...silly orlando.
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ohh....and another one
I remember another one! When gandalf rides his horse, he rides "bareback" tho he really has a saddle on it in real life. If you watch carefully, in some scenes the stirrups are showing
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How do they make te saddle not show up? Good catch! About the Gimili, Legolas, seeting arangment!
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