10-28-2003, 09:44 PM | #81 |
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Lordy, people! I am not feeling the love at all.
I'm going to provide a couple of (unsolicited) observations/opinions. 1. PJ has, on balance, done an excellent job to date on the movies. No, he hasn't done everything quite the way I would have, but then again I don't know diddly about making a movie. I wonder how many of the second-guessers are professional moviemakers, or could have convinced a studio to invest 9 figures into a concept? 2. While PJ has altered some plot points and some characterizations, it isn't really fair to draw conclusions about them until we see the final installment. I didn't particularly care for the treatment given Faramir either, but I'm willing to see where he goes with it before throwing a fit.
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10-28-2003, 09:49 PM | #82 |
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Well, look who's here. Hiya Bacchus.
Well, to appreciate these arguments in this thread, you might have to wade through a lot of other heated threads. In particular, the "Who else" thread, which is now closed.
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10-28-2003, 09:54 PM | #83 |
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Hiya, Sis! It's been a while since I've popped into the Forest, hasn't it?
Haven't looked over the "Who else" thread, but I suspect I know what I'd see over there. Oh, well. [evil]On a side note, it might be fun to have someone challenge me on my knowledge of the books, seeing how I also like the movie and all.[/evil]
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Granted your knowledge of the books is far superior to my own, and I also like the movies. I think you will find the problem isn't as much like or dislike for the books or movies, but what is Tolkien and what isn't.
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The only thing I have EVER declared in terms of Jackson and his movie are my opinions. I don't really care if you or anyone else agrees or not. I have my opinions - and I will state them - I think Jackson created an dumbed down hollywoodized action movie. And I think Jackson is a hack.
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As for your last post: I agree. The more people get belittled and their views and points made rediculous, the more defensive people become and the more the 'niceties' from conversation get dropped. The more we debate in this way, the more fixed our views on the movie become and the harder we'll defend them. And the less willing we become to reconsider those views.
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As for disagreeing with me on the Elves being Iluvatar's prized living creation - what would you say they were?
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with the orcs coming from elves, does it actually say that they do, because i remember reading in the sil that the elves went missing etc but that was merely hinting not actually saying. Quote:
Im re-reading the sil again and it just cements what i have always stuck to, no movie could outstrip tolkiens work, but im glad PJ had a crack (using his and others interprations) and IMO a bloody good job... ohhh yeah up with FEANOR JD you mentioned earlier something along the lines of it was the best movie PJ could make, did you have someone in mind that could have made a better LotR movie? and im not being rude, but would you have preferred no movie or PJ's movie? p.s Sorry for my language Azalea
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And to answer your question - I would have preferred no movie. I was looking forward to the movies from the moment they were announced and I was greatly disappointed by them. They could have been so much more and should have been so much more. Now - since Jackson did them - it will be another 20 years before someone tackles them. So yes - I wish they were never made so a more accomplished director and a TRUE fan of the books could have brought them to the screen.
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There's a LOT of off topic posting going on. While it IS interesting, I think it detracts from the discussion at hand, and also causes the thread to get watered down (for lack of a more precise term). Don't forget there are many threads that already exist where we can talk about some of the things mentioned that don't have direct bearing on this particular topic. I'll lead by example -- I want to make two quick comments about a couple of things that have been brought up here, but since they aren't about this topic, I'm going to post them in the appropriate thread, as much as I'd like to just put them here owing to my laziness. See you there!
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"Neither genuine hypnosis, trances, nor variants, occur in my tale." That means anywhere. "Gandalf the white is still under the obligation of concealing his power and of teaching rather than forcing or the dominating of wills" And "when the PHYSICAL powers of the enemy are too great he can act in an emergency as an angel....In ONE or TWO cases he does reveal a sudden power he twice rescues FARAMIR and he alone is left to forbid the entrance of the Lord of the Nazgul to Minas Tirith - and yet so powerful is the whole train of resistance that he himself has organized that no battle occurs: it passes to other mortal hands" That means no confrontation with Saruman through Theoden. I rest my case with this poster. Last edited by squinteyedsoutherner : 10-30-2003 at 12:50 PM. |
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10-30-2003, 12:46 PM | #95 |
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You should be a lawyer, squinteyedsoutherner. My point (which you are trying to hide from rather than address) was that the letter you are fond of pointing to doesn't apply to the situation we were discussing. If you are going to continue using Tolkien letters to bolster your personal opinions of LOTR, then they ought to at least be applicable.
But on the other hand, this is a shining example of what this thread is about. Rather than simply agree that there are equally valid ways of looking at the issue, you feel compelled to find things in Tolkien letters that help 'legitimize' your POV. Fundamentalists of every religious persuasion have been using this same misguided strategy to support their views for centuries. |
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Do you even read other people's posts?
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Please - go and read the books. Can we add this to the "Stupid Things said by BB" thread?
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