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or simply check " American colonies convicts" on Google for many more references.
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So, JD, it doesn't particularly matter what you think the relationship between Canada and Britain is or should be- we are fully independent from Britain, and the fact that you are unaware of this or refuse to accept it this doesn't alter the reality. As for the question of royalty in general, I happen to believe that democracy is the only morally justified system of government, and that even in cases of constitutional monarchies there is no justification for hereditary sovereignty. Most of them are pretty harmless, and on the practical level you can even argue they do some good- the Spanish king protecting parliament from a military coup, the King of Thailand doing the same- hell, if China restored the Emperor maybe the PRC and the ROC could get together under that fig-leaf. But there is no way (I think) you can argue that hereditary monarchy can have any poltical legitimacy- the boys in Philadelphia had it right- "deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed" . Any monarch (theoretically) does not derive his or her power from the people; therefore, however benevolent , they are as illegitimate as any dictatorship or theocracy, and are as such a legitimate target for criticism by anybody, on the basis of universal human rights.
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The argument isn't what you get from royal visits and whether it's a good thing or not - the argument is if you are still part of the British "empire". From your own descriptions - you are. You may not want to face this since you have your Prime Minister and stuff - but if you had to pay for the American Prsident's visit, had our presidents on your money and our president was known as your "Head of State" and so forth - I would consider you as a US territory. As for having been to BC - no I haven't. I have however been to Ontario tons of times. I have a friend who lives on Six Nation Indian Reserve.
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"Their" race to own the Earth? I take it you mean the German people? Dear girl, the German government and especially not [Emperor= Kaiser] Kaiser Wilhelm did not even consider 'ruling the world'. No one ever believed the first world war was escalate as it did, no one could have predicted the millions killed. At most, it was assumed to be a one week war between Austria-Hungary and tiny Serbia. Wilhelm had no desire for a war with Britain, indeed he was so close to the British and especialy to his grandmother, Queen Victoria of England, that she died in his arms. Sorry if I ranted but I cannot help but feel outraged at the huge historical misconceptions of Germany and especially the Kaiser in world war one.
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Radagast, I'm pretty sure she meant that it was the Brittish who were in a race to rule the world. But I can't really speak for her. That's how I see it anyway. My grandmama used to tell me stories of when the Brittish were trying to stamp out the French influence in Canada. In the winter, their troops would 'confiscate' all the stores of food and livestock from the farms. Essentially leaving the family to starve to death. And in some cases, they burned down the farm completely. They had to learn to hide their stores of food in a cache under the snow outside the farm house. She said these were stories handed down to her. So, I don't know how much was absolute truth. |
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It seems like most of these "criminals" were for petty crimes. I don't think that this even close to what happened to Australia like you tried implying. As I said - Australia was shipped dangerous criminals.
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i don't think our Independence Day is a black day for Brits, but it should be an embarassing reminder. I mean, a bunch of inbred farmers beat up the entire, larger, professionally trained country. It's a good thing for us that you never learned your lesson about battle tactics.
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By the way - I had forgotten ben Franklin had said that about sending rattlesnakes over to England. You were right about convicts being sent to America - which I had forgotten - but it was not even close to how Australia was used. The convicts were basically indentured servants in America.
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You quite ably demonstrated that Australia is NOT fully independent by quoting from their constitution, and when I lived in Australia I used to tease the Aussies/Kiwis the same way. There is no reference whatsoever to Britain or the British Parliament in the Canadian Constitution http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/const/annex_e.html#VI If you have ANY evidence that Canada is in any way subject to the British government or British sovereignty, please don't hesitate to post it. So far the facts of the matter seem to be: Canada regards itself as totally independent The British government agrees that Canada is totally independent HRH Queen Elizabeth II regards Canada and the United Kingdom as totally independent Kingdoms under her sovereignty Jersey Devil disagrees Sorry if I don't regard your opinion as that decisive.
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On the other hand - the criminals that were being sent to America were being sent over as serfs and being sold for 4 - 7 years service.
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