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Some much-needed perspective on the thread. You know we're in trouble when people start posting extracts of the US Constitution. Just as a matter of interest, how would you say it in Dutch? Oh, and btw, the Queen has no power at all in the UK. In theory, as Head of State, she "invites" the leader of the biggest party in Parliament to form the government, and she also convenes Parliament, but she is only allowed to do what the Government in turn "invites" her to do. It's all very civilised and executed over cups of tea in the drawing rooms of power. She's also head of state of a bunch of Commonwealth countries (Australia, [not sure about Canada: did they vote to change it recently?], Jamaica, etc). In theory, she could refuse to approve a Government, but there's the Parliament Act which can be invoked (which asserts Parliament's supremacy over the Crown and also limits the House of Lords' ability to block legislation). Last edited by The Gaffer : 11-20-2003 at 08:38 AM. |
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Grrr! Just heard the police will be stopping traffic through Trimdon as part of this State visit thing, so I'll be losing my Finance Assistant for most of the morning.
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Well the protestors toppled Bush's "statue" I hope they feel better now - especially since Hussein killed hundreds of thousands of his own people - dipping them in acid and putting them through meat grinders, dropping them from 3 stories with their hands and feet tied, cutting off their fingers and hands. I guess all that is acceptable though. Just as long as it's done behind closed doors. or is it just as long as America isn't doing something? I'm sort of confused here.
So now when do the protestors start marching and demonstrating against the terrorists now that they have demonstrated against the great satan the United States?
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Yeah I've always loved the rationale of the protestors. They protest against a war that has taken down one of the most ruthless killers and dictators of the past century. I mean the guy comes in a close second place right behind Hitler, yet they protest us for freeing the people from his tyranny, lol. Ahhhh the rationale of a protestor
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By the way - the after thought thing is only because you guys got tidbits of US news. There were MANY reasons why WE were going in there - WMD was only a small piece. It was Blair who wanted to use only the WMD as a reason for going in - that is why 65% of Americans still support us going into Iraq and aren't concerned about not having found any WMD.
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I think a lot of information was kept from the public as to what was going on in Iraq up until the last minute and much of it was giving to the public well after the war had already begun. So, people felt it was propaganda just being used to promote G-dubya's private little contest with his pappy, and to gain influence in the middle east. Me? I'm not sure, still, if this was necessary or not. I don't feel that I have enough information. I would have liked for the world to have gone in, if it WAS necessary, as a unified decision. But that didn't happen. I would have liked for the world to have an equal share of troops fighting instead of making US service men and women cannon fodder. But that didn't happen either. As far as I know, the US provided the majority of the troops for this war (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this). |
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One more thing.
I have a question for the Brits. Given that your government could go on without a monarch, since she really doesn't do anything but what she's told anyway, do you support your taxes going to support this "branch" of your government? Or do you feel that it is not an efficient use of the money you work for? (I honestly would like to know how you feel, and you know how I feel about it. ) |
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The protestors can go on and on about how they are not anti-american - but I don't see them marching against the true evils of this world, but they'll march in protest at the US at the drop of a hat.
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If you look back on History, you will see that has happened in other instances as well. Same happened with Napoleon...
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Yes, we're all weak and evil, aren't we?
Speaking as someone who is (hopefully) neither, but is (undoubtedly) counted as both by virtue of being European, I found the protesters in Trafalgar Square really disturbing. How could they think that stunt with the statue was a logical or reasoned form of protest? It's just sick, today of all days. And it's funny how the media makes such a fuss about them, when apparently there were about 100,000 there at the highest estimate. There were four times that at the Countryside Alliance march. Hardly a representative sample of the population, and the media acts like the protesters are speaking for the whole country.
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