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03-17-2003, 07:03 PM | #82 | |
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"In addition to y'all, other forms for plural you include you-uns, youse, and you guys or youse guys. Youse is common in vernacular varieties in the Northeast, particularly in large cities such as New York and Boston, and is also common in Irish English. You-uns is found in western Pennsylvania and in the Appalachians and probably reflects the Scotch-Irish roots of many European settlers to these regions. You guys and youse guys appear to be newer innovations than the other dialectal forms of plural you. See note at you-uns."
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03-17-2003, 08:05 PM | #83 | |
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America and her *wonderful* citizens pay the vast majority of the UN's bills, and yet we are treated as the ugly step-sister. UN can shove its bills, and eat radiation! *does a hill billy dance* YEE HAW! *my impression of other nations impressions of Americans.* But seriously- We don't need UN approval. It is nice to have allies, but we don't need them either. Especially the dammed frenchies. And canadians-What is canadian bacon about anyway?
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The thing is - France just destroyed any chance of the US ever going to the UN for anything again. We won't be going back for their opinion. We'll get enough people on our side and then go in to protect our interests. They can handle the nation building stuff - we'll handle the tough decisions and actually lead.
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03-18-2003, 02:15 AM | #86 | |
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I've said it time and time again. Frankly, the US doesn't really care what the UN Security Council votes if they ever do. The thing is they have no backing to what they are preaching. For instance, the French plan is to be diplomatic no matter what with never having the use of force as an option. Now what dictatorial regime would ever comply if there is no consequences outlying the scheme of things? Exactly, none, so the French plan makes no sense in such a situation. The only reason Iraq put on it's public display of supposedly complying was due to the armed and ready US & British forces sitting on the other side of the Iraqi border. Pressure like that is what made anything happen, unfortunately nothing came from it. Anyway, back to my point, basically the US didn't want to go into this without the backing of the UN, because they know that the UN is an already weak organization, because they only issue words backed by no action. Also, if the US went without UN approval it would just be showing the world how weak the UN really is, and we truly don't want that. The UN is good for stability in the worldy atmosphere and in certain areas of the world, however if the UN doesn't follow through with the words that they preach then it is inevitable anyway that the organization will fail. Now I am not saying they will, but if they pass certain resolutions and call for the use of force following said resolutions or what have you, then they cannot all of a sudden go back on the words they preached. That is what the UN has done, well certain countries in the UN I should say...
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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03-18-2003, 02:30 AM | #87 |
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Dúnedain - I agree. The thing is - France buried the UN. We're not going to waste diplomatic capital and try to go to the UN again. No need to. We didn't have to for this and we don't have to in the future. Less than 50% of Americans think the UN is a worthwhile organisation now. That's the lowest it's ever been.
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This is quite frustrating - I am talking about perceptions - not hardcore facts. Our perceptions are formed by the assimilation of selected pieces of information to our preconceived world view. You have your opinions & I have mine, I don't think we sill be able to change each other's views, but I do appreciate the fact that we can have an intelligent (or at least semi intelligent) discussion. This is the problem with net comms - there will always be some sort of gap................
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03-18-2003, 02:51 AM | #89 | |
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Also - hardcore FACTS are what matter. It's a fact that Hussein has not complied with any of the UN resolution. It's a fatc he was not complying with resolution 1441. It's a fact that 1441 stated that "severe consquences" would be the result for not "full and unconditional compliance". The resolution passed unanimously and all the UN ambassadors could read it. They just wanted UN inspections to go on forever until the world got bored and let Hussein go back about his business. This whole affair was basically a power trip for Chirac - who even had a worse election than George Bush. The only reason he ended up being reelected was because the other guy was LePen.
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03-18-2003, 01:54 PM | #90 |
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Since we have a new thread on the topic of Iraq and the war, we need to post our views there and keep this thread on topic, the same as the "protest" thread, a bit hard to do since it concerns the same thing, but let's try to keep these threads seperate.
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