11-30-2003, 09:02 AM | #81 |
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Reports from people who have seen the movie indicate that the battle is big, long, and interspersed with the hobbits quest to destroy the Ring. They're saying the the hobbits side of the tale is powerful and holds its own with the battle on the Pelennor. Which is good news.
The cuts basically represent a streamlined ROTK which concentrates solely on the battle for Middle-earth that includes the only way to stop the war is through the destruction of the Ring. Audiences seem to love it. |
11-30-2003, 01:46 PM | #82 |
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I just read that the House of Healing is cut out of the theatrical version. It really is very upsetting.
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11-30-2003, 06:26 PM | #83 |
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Yes. But it was filmed and so it will be restored in the ROTK: SE. I know it's a bummer, but . . all the cuts are.
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Go to imdb.com and you will see that both the Mouth of Sauron and Ghan-Buri-Ghan are on the cast list. Aragorn does defy Sauron in the Palantir from what I've read. I've also read that the Houses of Healing is in there...
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sorry if not connected with the houses of healing bit! Last edited by Elessar the Elfstone : 12-01-2003 at 01:18 PM. |
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12-01-2003, 03:21 PM | #86 | |
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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12-01-2003, 07:04 PM | #87 |
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Now that Saruman has been written out of ROTK, I guess it really pulls the rug out from under BB's argument that it was necessary to show the wizard duel before Gandalf gets imprisoned in Orthanc.
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12-02-2003, 01:35 PM | #90 |
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Wow, I don't think I've ever read more "the glass is half empty" posts in one thread in my life!
At a minimum, BB is right about this: chill 'til you've at least seen the movie once. Time is a finite commodity in the cinema. For everything that's added, something must be cut. If you see the movie and basically like everything in it but still miss the cut scenes, that, to me, validates the strategy of trimming the theatrical version and restoring the cuts in the EE. If you see the movie and consider a significant portion of it wasted filler, that's OK, too - tell us what you think should have been deleted and replaced with what. But without the perspective of knowing what made the theatrical cut and what didn't in the context of the whole, I simply see no basis at this time for gloom and doom. BB, you and I've gotta go get ourselves a couple of pints sometime and wax positive about the half full portion of the glass. Until then, keep your cool - it's only life, after all.
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12-02-2003, 05:07 PM | #91 |
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>>You are wrong on half of those! Go to imdb.com and you will see that both the Mouth of Sauron and Ghan-Buri-Ghan are on the cast list. Aragorn does defy Sauron in the Palantir from what I've read. I've also read that the Houses of Healing is in there<<
All of the above 'spoilers' mentioned are coming from people who have already seen the movie. The IMDb is a fan site not an 'official' site . . anyone can add any type of information. It is not reliable. Sorry. |
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And yes the cast list for RotK did change, there were a couple people listed previously who are gone and some new ones that are on there now...
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Christopher Lee is a man whose opinions I respect. If he embargoed the premiere, then it wasn't just some silly actor's primadonna snit. Mr. Lee is a REAL Tolkienite, he passed up his own premiere, and I think this spells very bad news for those of us who were holding out some hope for the final film.
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>>but the cast and movie information is supplied by the studios.<<
I do work in the search engine field and have done reviews on IMDB, it is a fan based website. One of the problems with the data is that it is often inaccurate. Quote:
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12-03-2003, 06:09 PM | #99 |
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>>Do the fans give them the cast listings and things like that<<
Yes. The point is that anyone can add cast and crew listings down to every single extra that walks on the set. This is a fan driven site. This is not a film industry site. This is not to say that for marketing purposes a professional might not give out some information. But, that is not where they get the information that drives IMDb. How to Add Information to the IMDb It will be interesting to match the IMDb list with the official cast list once it's released. I've noticed that IMDb has constantly changed the list for the past year . . one that I know is incorrect is Baby Gamgee . . a baby does not appear in the movie . . only Alexandra Astin as Elanor Gamgee makes an appearance. They did get Eldarion right though. Last edited by kennebecc : 12-03-2003 at 06:43 PM. |
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Oh, hooo-leee, freeeekin' hannah!
NO confrontation between Gandalf and the Witch King at the gates of Minas Tirith? Please oh please oh please don't tell me they wrote in a dragon.....or sent Sauron hisse'f to the gates of Minas Tirith.... And if they pull Sauron out onto the Morannon, I am going to throw something at the screen!!!!
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