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He leads the UPM, who are a Gaullist party, which is centre-right. Type "French Politics" into Google if you don't believe me. Last edited by The Gaffer : 01-27-2006 at 10:54 AM. |
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Don't think I'm saying that France has to become conservative to be able to deal with issues the right way, the issue lies in the direction of: Islam conflicts with french liberal politics, and acting like "Oh we're not being open-minded enough to extremists! Sacre Bleu!" is not going to solve their problems. Instead they should deal with the rather simple fact that Islam ExXtreme and Liberals Don't Mix. And Nurvingiel, what if those extremists are your own citizen's? I wasn't sure if you were referring to Muslim's as citizens or Citizens (meaning non-immigrants) as Muslim. From what I know, not Muslim's because they're Musilims are bieng deported, but only the known extremist groups. If they are non-immigrant and converted to Islam, I don't know what to say except that I highly doubt that it is a large percentage. Quote:
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Woah, woah, woah. Back the pony up. People blame Bush for Katrina? Not for appointing an underqualified incompetent to FEMA, and other actual criticisms, but for causing the hurricane itself? Quote:
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I really don't want to squash discussion in here, especially the interesting one you guys have going on about French politics, but it doesn't have a lot to do with Canadian politics. Maybe we need a European politics thread? I hope it would be popular. I wouldn't want to tell you to take your discussion elsewhere, only to have your thread die. But your discussion did get me thinking about "liberal" and "conservative" and their use in Canadian politics. I think of the two terms generally as liberal being free with things, and conservative being careful with things. For example, money. You can be fiscally conservative or liberal (I guess). It's also commonly applied to social policies. The Liberals are socially liberal and fiscally conservative. The Conservatives are socially conservative and fiscally liberal. The NDP are socially liberal and fiscally liberal. I'm not really sure what the Bloc Quebecois and the Green Party are up to. Party names are interesting. You obviously can't boil down complex political policies into a short name, though the Progressive Conservatives did this well when they were around. (They were socially liberal and fiscally conservative.)
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Yup, agree that it's confusing. I don't find it all that useful a term, it's just that because Americans use it, and there are mostly Americans on this board, it makes sense to use it.
I like the 2-dimensional scale they use at Political Compass (type it into Google) Social (libertarian-authoritarian) and Economic (left-right). I think we had a thread about this a while back. PS - Don't bother with the Europolitics thread, no-one will be interested. There is one on the EU if folks are desparate. I just wanted to know where Hector got the idea that Chirac isn't a conservative. PPS - Political Compass have got a section on the Canadian elections, showing where the parties sit on the 2-dimensional graph. http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/poli...canada2005.php * looks at graph * GO NDP!!! * looks at results * D'OH! Last edited by The Gaffer : 01-28-2006 at 01:57 PM. |
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Interesting! I took the test and wound right where the UK Green party is on this chart. Speaking of UK politics, woah Conservatives and New Labour and yikes BNP!
*waves LibDem flag* I hope they don't meet the same fate as the NDP. (Not that I can really say anything since I voted Liberal.) Oh Liberals, why didn't you share your brilliant platform with Canadian voters? I only found out about it by going to our local candidate's office and asking specific questions. How many voters do that!? You guys are lucky you still got a hundred seats. I realized two other things in the course of my election research. One - somewhere along the line, I stopped caring about all the scandals. Two, and another reason I voted Liberal, is sustainability. The Liberals reduced our massive defecit to a reasonably-sized one. They are generally regarded as being good for the economy. This means we would (in theory) have a sustainable economy. If we collect more taxes then we spend, we can afford to have long-term social programs that won't be gutted in the next budget. A strong economy lets us support universal, single-tiered health-care, national child care, and other important social programs. This is a new idea that only occured to me right at the end of the election, so feel free to poke holes in it. I want to see if it stands up to scrutiny.
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We all know FEMA was incompetent, we've accepted that a long time ago, and so did Bush, who accepted all the criticism.
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I only came of age for voting last year, so 08 will be my first. And the two elections I've witnessed have centered on who is more morally corrupt than who etc...well, Bush/Gore in 01 had a lot to do with economy. Quote:
If they were brits, in the traditional sense, well, as I said above...I don't think there are many brit converts to Islam
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The economy, gay marriage, student support, and having a decent environmental record were all pretty much tied. I'm not sure which reason I'd put ahead. Quote:
Or are you just saying that immigrants should generally have less rights than citizens who were born in the country? edit: I realise my questions are a bit loaded.
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I love Goldie Hawn! *ahem* Sorry, carry on.
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But I suppose in the UK you guys are quite far left, and he looks conservative to you.
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According to the political compass (click on UK 2005), UK political parties are not very left. (Except the Greens and the Liberal Democrats.)
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No Sharia for Canada ... and while we are at it, nobody else gets any either!
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/na...adf39e&k=61024 What you think of this, Nurv?
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did any socialist parties do well in the canadian elections?
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Sorry LCOU, our only Socialist parties are fringe parties: the Marxist-Leninist Party and the Communist Party. They won no seats.
Actually, I think I'm confused as to what "socialist" means. We have the NDP, who are quite left leaning and could be called socialist, I think. They did pretty well and won about 30 seats (IIRC). (I posted the right answer back in the thread on election night.) Quote:
I agree with the ruling from what I've read so far. That's my preliminary opinion.
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Doin pretty foo in the Olympics indeed, just behind us last time i checked.
So whats brewing up there politically Nuvvy?
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