If you could remove one scene... - Page 5

Lalaith · 03-14-2003, 02:07 PM

Yeah, Osgiliath was looking great, but it was totally out of place.

**Nurvingiel** · 03-14-2003, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Melko Belcha
One scene to change.
In the theater version of Fellowship I would replace the stairway scene in Moria with the gift giving scene. IMO it has more to do with the story.

I agree with that, they already had a 'can-he-jump-the-gap' scene earlier with Frodo jumping onto the Buckleberry ferry.

I would have liked the gift giving scene because Gimli shows how he's really grown as a person, by asking for the three hairs. Then, in TTT, he could have squared off with Eomer over that instead of, "Give me your name horsemaster, and I will give you mine." Gimli is actually a lot more curteous than that.

Legolas_GreenLeaf · 03-14-2003, 07:54 PM

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I agree with that, they already had a 'can-he-jump-the-gap' scene earlier with Frodo jumping onto the Buckleberry ferry.

hmm..can-he-jump-the-gap scene? that's a new one !

Lalaith · 03-16-2003, 07:38 AM

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hmm..can-he-jump-the-gap scene? that's a new one !

but true

Merry42 · 03-18-2003, 06:12 PM

I think i would remove all of the scenes with arwen in TTT. And the Love scene in FotR

Merry42 · 03-18-2003, 06:14 PM

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Give me your name horsemaster, and I will give you mine." Gimli is actually a lot more curteous than that.

Actually i think Gimli does say that

Legolas_GreenLeaf · 03-18-2003, 11:34 PM

yeah I think he did too...not positive though

**Nurvingiel** · 03-18-2003, 11:54 PM

Maybe it's time for a Two Towers re-read. Or I could pass exams. Hm...

Kalile · 03-19-2003, 12:11 AM

In The Two Towers, I would remove the scene where Legolas jumps on a shield and goes sliding smoothly down stairs at night in the rain, while shooting arrows into combat. That is not even remotely possible, even for an elf. Just because a lot of girls swooned and went goo-goo doesn't mean they have to be so cheesy and fake.

The whole love story was a little weird too. That whole thing was nonexistant in the book. Oh well. Most people never know the difference. *sigh*

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-19-2003, 02:02 AM

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Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Maybe it's time for a Two Towers re-read. Or I could pass exams. Hm...

Bah! Who needs exams!

Lalaith · 03-19-2003, 07:26 AM

TTT goes first!!!!! I re-read it the beek before I went to the cinema, just to be sure to catch every mistake.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-19-2003, 11:43 AM

Mistakes?

Bah, every one was purely intentional!

Lalaith · 03-19-2003, 02:32 PM

Yeah, I guess PJ just wanted some book-fans to die from anger.

Legolas_GreenLeaf · 03-19-2003, 10:03 PM

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Yeah, I guess PJ just wanted some book-fans to die from anger.

PJ didn't make these movies *just* for the book fans...

I know many people who are fans of the movies and not the books...and the LotR movies wouldn't be making as much $$ if he made it *exactly* like the books...and anyway, that is impossible.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-19-2003, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by Legolas_GreenLeaf
PJ didn't make these movies *just* for the book fans...

I know many people who are fans of the movies and not the books...and the LotR movies wouldn't be making as much $$ if he made it *exactly* like the books...and anyway, that is impossible.

He didn't these movies *at all* for the book fans?

*shrugs* Their loss. Um...there is a difference between liking an action movie and liking a literary classic.

I wouldn't expect it to be *exactly* like the books. But to sacrifice the essence and spirit of Tolkien to make more money (which it might very well have, as their are millions of fans of the books world-wide, who probably would have paid more if it had been more true to the original.

Dúnedain · 03-19-2003, 10:26 PM

If I could I'd remove the part where the moron sitting behind me in the theater says "It's over? That's a bad way to end it!" Gotta love it when they don't realize it has 3 parts

Oh, sorry didn't realize you meant the actual movie

Legolas_GreenLeaf · 03-19-2003, 10:38 PM

lol Dúnedain

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I wouldn't expect it to be *exactly* like the books. But to sacrifice the essence and spirit of Tolkien to make more money (which it might very well have, as their are millions of fans of the books world-wide, who probably would have paid more if it had been more true to the original.

True

But there are more fans of the movies than the books, I believe.... But I just think that no one could have done better than PJ at this. He did stay as true as possible to the book fans, but, come on, that is tough job!

Everyone just criticises him because of all the very little things he didn't include in the movie (and what he did include), and the movie would be 6 hours long if he hadn't!

Anyway, the books are always better than the movies...so better to read them, than watch them. right?

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-19-2003, 10:50 PM

I disagree. He could have been truer to the books. The problem was priorities, which were more inclined towards monsters" and action scenes than the stuff of Tolkien's book.

Legolas_GreenLeaf · 03-19-2003, 11:08 PM

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I disagree. He could have been truer to the books. The problem was priorities, which were more inclined towards monsters" and action scenes than the stuff of Tolkien's book.

That is true but, "monsters and action scenes" are what makes a good movie though.

I agree that Tolkien could have been better portrayed.

The action scenes are what draws the movie fans in, while books-fans can't help but enjoy seeing such a great book being on a film. So....everyone is happy. I think that was PJ's goal - To impress the book-fans AND the movie fans. if the movies only drew in the book-fans, it wouldn't have gotten as far as it has.

I don't know im just rambling now. sorry.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-19-2003, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by Legolas_GreenLeaf
1) That is true but, "monsters and action scenes" are what makes a good movie though.

2) I agree that Tolkien could have been better portrayed.

3) The action scenes are what draws the movie fans in, while books-fans can't help but enjoy seeing such a great book being on a film. So....everyone is happy. I think that was PJ's goal - To impress the book-fans AND the movie fans. if the movies only drew in the book-fans, it wouldn't have gotten as far as it has.

4) I don't know im just rambling now. sorry.

1) In certain types of movies, yes. But there are many movies which have no combat at all, but are very good and successful.

2)

3) Speak for yourself.

I only saw TTT once. Mutilation (which I do feel was what happened with that one) of a spectacular work of literature doesn't make me, for one, 'happy'.

4) A kindred spirit!

03-14-2003, 02:07 PM	#81
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Yeah, Osgiliath was looking great, but it was totally out of place. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

03-18-2003, 06:12 PM	#85
Merry42 Sapling Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Buckland, When I'm not in Utah Posts: 8	I think i would remove all of the scenes with arwen in TTT. And the Love scene in FotR __________________ If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jesus Lives!!!!!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If at first you don't succeed, assasinate all who know you failed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Athiesm is a Non-Prophet organisation ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

03-18-2003, 11:34 PM	#87
Legolas_GreenLeaf Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: °Rivendell° Posts: 116	yeah I think he did too...not positive though __________________ Legolas, Frodo, and Aragorn are the BEST! All fans of Elijah, Orlando, Sean, Billy, and Dom (no Viggo )should go here -----> http://www.bagendinn.com/castpics.htm

03-19-2003, 12:11 AM	#89
Kalile The Potato sack... er elf Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sailing between the stars is a white ship with silken sails... Posts: 1,382	In The Two Towers, I would remove the scene where Legolas jumps on a shield and goes sliding smoothly down stairs at night in the rain, while shooting arrows into combat. That is not even remotely possible, even for an elf. Just because a lot of girls swooned and went goo-goo doesn't mean they have to be so cheesy and fake. The whole love story was a little weird too. That whole thing was nonexistant in the book. Oh well. Most people never know the difference. sigh __________________ To dream the impossible dream To fight the unbeatable foe To bear with unbearable sorrow To run where the brave dare not go To right the unrightable wrong To love pure and chaste from afar To try when your arms are too weary To reach the unreachable star

03-19-2003, 07:26 AM	#91
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	TTT goes first!!!!! I re-read it the beek before I went to the cinema, just to be sure to catch every mistake. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

03-19-2003, 11:43 AM	#92
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Mistakes? Bah, every one was purely intentional! __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-19-2003, 02:32 PM	#93
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Yeah, I guess PJ just wanted some book-fans to die from anger. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

03-19-2003, 10:26 PM	#96
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	If I could I'd remove the part where the moron sitting behind me in the theater says "It's over? That's a bad way to end it!" Gotta love it when they don't realize it has 3 parts Oh, sorry didn't realize you meant the actual movie __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

03-19-2003, 10:50 PM	#98
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I disagree. He could have been truer to the books. The problem was priorities, which were more inclined towards monsters" and action scenes than the stuff of Tolkien's book. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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