Offshoot discussion of "what religion are you" thread

[Coney]

Originally posted by Lief Erikson
No. But Coney, in my opinion, is heaping an unjust amount of blame upon Christianity, and I haven't yet seen him acknowledge the evils others in the world are doing that aren't Christian. When we follow our religion and walk in Christ's footsteps, we are blameless. Many Christians have strayed or done incorrect things, in this Coney is right, yet I think he is ignoring some very large facts.

And these facts are?

Tell me one action in the last 2000 yrs that had genuily benefitted the human race solely through Christianity.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Lief Erikson
God's Word is not incorrect, but us, being human, can be.

But the bible is Man's word. Written by Man.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Coney
Maybe right there GW......but being shackled and tied to a chair is pretty much murder in my book.............

I think that murder is pretty well the unlawful and malicious killing of one human by another, especially if premeditation is involved.

I can certainly see and understand your view on this, Coney (though quite frankly, to say that it is done in the name of God seems to me a rather far stretch to heap anything possible on Christianity). But I think anyone who believed in capital punishment would disagree; out of curiosity, what would you have done with murderers? Just let them out on the street? Cage them up subjected to prison life until they finally roll over and die, or are murdered?

[Lief Erikson]

Well, Insidious Rex, I have no problem with your not looking closely at Christianity. Just so long as you don't make broad statements about it which require close looking. There are things in the Bible that do require looking close, to see the truth. So, just be careful about making broad judgements without looking at the details. The details, and logical analysis of Scripture is one of the ways to find out the truth about questions that cause a large amount of trouble for some nonChristians. If you're not willing to look deeply, you might not find the answer, which might turn you off from Christianity altogether. So, details are important.

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
The point I was making is when I jump up and down and say that the bible is real neat and all but it should be taken as a GUIDE for living not as a LITERAL text book that can not be interpreted in any other way and that any other open form of thinking goes against it I get either ignored completely or told "shut up yer not christian what do you know." So I felt quoting someone who was christian on this point to show MY point as well was perfectly reasonable. Are you saying its not?

No, it's fine to quote a Christian who agrees with you.

I'm sorry for rather jumping on you. I'm just overwrought from several late nights in a row and early mornings.

My apologies to you too, Coney, for any sharpness in my posts.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Coney
Lief, in parts of America they are still eletrocuting to death people in the name of God!!!

Originally posted by Ruinel
WoW!!! Where???

Coney, you didn't answer my question. You said that in America people are being electrocuted in the name of god. I'd like to know where. I live in Texas, people that rape and murder children are killed by lethal injection. But I'd like to know where in America people are killed in the name of god by electrocution.

[Lief Erikson]

Originally posted by Coney
And these facts are?

Tell me one action in the last 2000 yrs that had genuily benefitted the human race solely through Christianity.

Shall I scream here, or go to the Venting Thread?

[Coney]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
out of curiosity, what would you have done with murderers? Just let them out on the street? Cage them up subjected to prison life until they finally roll over and die, or are murdered?

I'd do exactly what we do in this country Gwai.........let 'em rot in a cell...........forever (that way, they suffer, and no-one goes to hell for murder)

My apologies to you too, Coney, for any sharpness in my posts.

No apologies ness Lief.........Sharpness I can handle

Coney, you didn't answer my question. You said that in America people are being electrocuted in the name of god. I'd like to know where. I live in Texas, we kill people that rape and murder children by lethal injection. But I'd like to know where in America people are killed in the name of god by electrocution.

Nebraska (only kidding............buggered if I know really)

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by Lief Erikson
I'm sorry for rather jumping on you. I'm just overwrought from several late nights in a row and early mornings.

My apologies to you too, Coney, for any sharpness in my posts.

Hey now dont go apologizing for defending your opinion on me. I can handle energetic discussions. They are the most fun. and the christians here (you, Rian, all the regulars) are perfectly reasonable folks with hardened opinions that make for often enjoyable discussion. Now a few new folks have come on recently that have made me worried about the open mindedness of the christian population of the moot but that certainly isnt you. so dont sweat it. give me a hard time when you feel the need to you know I can handle it. And Ill be sure to do the same.

[Coney]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
Hey now dont go apologizing for defending your opinion on me. I can handle energetic discussions. They are the most fun. and the christians here (you, Rian, all the regulars) are perfectly reasonable folks with hardened opinions that make for often enjoyable discussion. Now a few new folks have come on recently that have made me worried about the open mindedness of the christian population of the moot but that certainly isnt you. so dont sweat it. give me a hard time when you feel the need to you know I can handle it. And Ill be sure to do the same.

Yeah, what IR said.........

Tis only a discussion board folks..........no Jihad from here

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Coney
And these facts are?

Tell me one action in the last 2000 yrs that had genuily benefitted the human race solely through Christianity.

Can you do the same of Paganism?

Ruinel: I must say that that is your belief, or your opinion, and that many do not agree with that. Out of curiosity, why exactly did you state it there? If I'm not incorrect, it was in conjecture with a Christian's statement on what he believes...:conufsed:

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Coney
Nebraska (only kidding............buggered if I know really)

Oh... I was curious. Not all the states have the death sentence. But for those that do, I think they use lethal injection. And I don't think any of them do it in the name of a god. There's that whole 'separation of church and state' thing here.

[Coney]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Can you do the same of Paganism?

Yup. Paganism has not benefitted the world whatsoever through Christianity in the last 2000 yrs.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Coney
Yup. Paganism has not benefitted the world whatsoever through Christianity in the last 2000 yrs.

And, I don't want to be pushy, but I would like to know: did you think I was insinuating that you practiced human sacrifice?

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Ruinel: I must say that that is your belief, or your opinion, and that many do not agree with that. Out of curiosity, why exactly did you state it there? If I'm not incorrect, it was in conjecture with a Christian's statement on what he believes...:conufsed:

The statement is that the word of god is the bible. But the bible was written my the hands of a man, not a god. It is the word of man, not a god. God is made by man in an attempt to understand the world around him when things were very complicated and strange. Why does the big yellow fire cross the sky? Because god makes it so that we have a day and a night. Why did I get sick? Because bad spirits/ demons/ evil something or other caused it. Let's all pray for me to our god so I can get well again. Why was there a natural disaster? Because the people of that area angered our god.

[Coney]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem


And, I don't want to be pushy, but I would like to know: did you think I was insinuating that you practiced human sacrifice?

Only on every other Wednesday

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Coney


Only on every other Wednesday :eek;

Oh... I just love the Wednesday Human Sacrifice. They use virgins. *looks over at Gwai* Do you get to drink the blood? We do..... yummmm.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Ruinel
The statement is that the word of god is the bible. But the bible was written my the hands of a man, not a god. It is the word of man, not a god. God is made by man in an attempt to understand the world around him when things were very complicated and strange. Why does the big yellow fire cross the sky? Because god makes it so that we have a day and a night. Why did I get sick? Because bad spirits/ demons/ evil something or other caused it. Let's all pray for me to our god so I can get well again. Why was there a natural disaster? Because the people of that area angered our god.

That is your belief, again. I fail to really see what relevancy it has?

Okay, I was kinda worried there, for a while. I thought maybe that was what ticked you off. Glad to see you didn't think I'd said that.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
That is your belief, again. I fail to really see what relevancy it has?

Ok.

[Lief Erikson]

Yes, I was going to bring that up too, Ruinel. Except that I'd taken a hike over to the thread guys aren't allowed in, because I was getting too hot.

Uhh . . . perhaps that was the wrong choice of threads . Anyway.

I don't think you can blame Christianity for the electrical chair. That's a huge stretch, to me. You can argue against swearing on the Bible in court, but that is only meant to cause people to tell the truth. It doesn't have anything to do with Christianity as a religion. Plus, the electrical chair is actually an outdated form of execution. It was taken out of action some few years ago, if I remember correctly.

Originally posted by Coney
Tell me one action in the last 2000 yrs that had genuily benefitted the human race solely through Christianity.

I'm sorry, Coney, but I am led to believe you really have a very skewed view of Christianity because of what you've been saying. You're blaming our religion for everything which is done by HUMANS who are not following the religion correctly.

Meanwhile, in answer to your question (After much effort, I have contained my scream), I assume you've never heard of "Food for the Hungry"?

You probably haven't heard of all the Christian programs which dig deep into Los Angeles, helping the criminals. Missionaries go to prisons to help the people there and Christians comfort the families of those who are in need. Our religion has been an inspiration for millions to live a better life, ever since the time of Christ. And before that, if we count Israel.

[Lief Erikson]

Originally posted by Ruinel
But the bible was written my the hands of a man, not a god. It is the word of man, not a god.

It is inspired by God, though. Ah, actually, I cannot prove that assertion. I know it to be true through spiritual experience, but I can give you some visible evidences of it. They won't prove it to you, but they could make it seem more likely to you. You want to hear them?

(Warning, it could be a little long)