04-20-2003, 12:38 PM | #961 |
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As for the money that Iraq owes, it appears to be about 8 billion to France, 8 billion to Russia and 4 billion to Germany (about the same as America).
Far and away most of the money is owed to Kuwait for war reparations ($100 billion plus); other claimed amounts cover money borrowed from the Gulf States during the Iraq- Iran War ($50 billion) which Iraq claims should be grants for protection against Iran (which is why Iraq invaded Kuwait in the first place). The Russians argue that if they should forgive Iraq for debts incurred by the tyrannical regime of Saddam, they themselves should be forgiven debts incurred by the tyrannical Soviet regime- and suddenly forgiveness sounds like less of a virtue in Washington. Meanwhile, members of the "Coalition of the Willing" such as Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Bulgaria expect to be paid for deals made between their former tyrannical regimes and Iraq's former tyrannical regime. For an overview of the whole mess: http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/4-1...asp?viewPage=1
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04-20-2003, 01:40 PM | #964 | |
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04-20-2003, 01:45 PM | #965 |
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So we don't trust the other countries in the UN to do anything? We must take everyone else's matters into our own hands? Acts of terrorism of that magnitude don't only happen in this country, jd.
I feel that this thread is getting very malicious. I will now endeavor to change that. Let's all live in harmony, shall we?
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04-20-2003, 01:50 PM | #966 |
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Elf Girl the UN has exactly proved itself our best friends or anything, has it? It hasn't done anything so why should we pull it in now? The UN was willing to wait until another attack happened to start doing and even then it's doubtful they would have actually done anything.
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There is no proof that Iraq was behind 9/11.
The UN is not our best friend because Bush declared it was useless and stupid in his State of the Union. (And within two minutes said he expected its help with humanitarian efforts afterwords.)
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I for one don't trust the UN to handle much of anything -other than supplying aid and humanitarian relief. I'm not going to trust them to build a democracy in Iraq or to bring peace to the region. They haven't been able to bring peace to the world for the more than 50 years of their existence. Quote:
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04-20-2003, 02:05 PM | #970 | |
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And there is proof that Iraq supplies Terorists weapons for attacks. No one said that they were behind the attacks. Just that they had to be stopped from giving out weapons or plotting an attack. And Bush had good reason to say what he did. The UN likes to stall as well. I mean we've given Iraq practcally forever to DO something and it hasn't. It was time to stop waiting.
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When did I say that Iraq was behind 9/11? The area of the Middle East was behind 9/11 as far as I'm concerned though. As long as the people of the Middle East live with 30% - 50% unemployment. As long as the region remains as it is without freedom - then terrorists will continue to be recruited from that part of the world. Quote:
So - I don't think that the UN does much of anything or is really worth much except as a humantarian organisation.
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Also - I noticed the person who wrote the editorial you quoted is from the Observer. The Observer and the Guardian don't say much of anything nice about the US ever.
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When people boycott or destroy a McDonalds - they're hurting the local franchise owner and the employees who work there - more than McDonalds or the US. I think McDonalds biggest problem financially is not that they get repeated boycotted and destroyed in France - but because they should rename the Big Mac the Mini Mac.
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The point of democracy is to provide a means by which people can resolve their differences peacefully. If people feel they have a voice and some way to get their fair share, they are more than happy to sit down and work it out. The suicide bombings are all by people who feel they are not represented. You can't stop them by making more martyrs. That just makes them crazier. History, Mr You-Should-Learn_More, has shown that only negotiation ends the cycle of hate, and only when those who feel they are disenfranchised begin to feel they are enfranchised do the guerilla tactics and terrorist acts stop. The world did not change on 9/11. Some sleeping people woke up, but it's still the same world. It's just that things that happened to other people happened to us.
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