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Matthew was the tax collector who left his tax table to follow Jesus - as he recounts in his own gospel, IIRC. John's gospel, btw - is totally different from the rest. But that's a tangent. Just wanted to let you know that Matthew the gospel writer was one of the 12.
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I have no particular opinion on whether the writer of Mark was an authority on the life-cycle of fig-trees in Palestine - I'll just stand by what it says in Scripture.
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And one doesn't have to have a degree in "botanical facts" to know leaf/fruit patterns of local trees - I imagine any 9-year-old boy that lived in the area (a MAJOR fig tree area) would have seen that tree from afar and thought "that's odd, there's leaves on that tree already - hey, let's run over and see if there's fruit!"
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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04-02-2004, 02:32 PM | #965 |
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Matthew was written by Matthew the Tax Collector, Jesus disciple.
Mark was written by John Mark, who is mentioned in Acts and some of Pauls letters. He could very well have been present for much of what he has written. Jesus was followed by more than just the 12, and often had large crowds following him. Mark's mother Mary was an fairly wealthy and influential follower of Jesus who often allowed Jesus, and later the early church, to use her house. John was a disciple. Therefore eyewitness. Luke was a doctor who likely gfathered facts from eyewitnesses, judging from the birth account, he spoke with Mary as well.
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(I'll be gone for a few days - keep up the chant, guys - "Fruit before leaves! Fruit before leaves!" )
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Fruit before leaves? What stage of the life cycle are we talking about here?
I don't know anything about fig trees specifically, but all the deciduous trees I can think of produce leaves first and then fruit.
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Fig, Fig-tree
Indigenous to Asia Minor and Syria, the fig-tree can grow to about 35 feet and can flourish even in stony soil. Its fruit often appears before the leaves, but the flowers are never conspicious. Fertilization is effectd by small hymenopterous insects. There is some difference in terminology about the number of fig crops in the year. W.Corsant (title, pg numbers) suggests that for the understanding of certain biblical passages we should regard the fig-tree as bearing successively three kinds of figs: a. the late or autumn figs which furnish the main crop from August till winter; b. green or winter figs, which, having no time to ripen, spend the winter on the branches and grow ruddy at the first touch of spring, yet remain small and are easily blown off by the wind. The remainder stay on the tree and ripen in summer from June onwards. These latter are c. the first-ripe figs, much sought after for their freshness and delicious flavour. This would mean that a healthy tree bore fruit for about ten months, and Jesus apparently expected to find green figs on the tree he cursed (Mt. 21:18-22; Mk. 11:12-14, 20-24). Does that clear it up?
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i know this has no relevance to the current debate,
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I believe that there is only one, true religion (Christianity). How can one say they have the truth, but everybody else with different views/ideas/personalities does too?
(Loosely remembered) I [Jesus] am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can get to the Father except through me. Do you, as a Buddhist, believe that you aren't the only reliously correct people out there? Or that not everyone is "suited" to Buddhism, the one true religion?
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It still doesn't clear up the image of someone who kills trees he passes by because they don't have fruit when he happens to be hungry. As for the (minor) discrepancy Quote:
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04-04-2004, 08:47 AM | #973 | |
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Really, I'm not particularly interested in these minor details- I gave up on that kind of criticism when I was about fifteen. The donkey/colt thing was in response to the claim of Jesus's fulfilling so many OT prophecies as proof of his being the foretold Messiah, and just mentioned in passing. There are some more important ones- like a timeline of Jesus's birth and early years that fits both Luke and Matthew- but again, these are of importance only if you insist on Biblical inerrancy. My rejection of the truth-claims of Christianity are much broader
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you would have realised that i was not suggesting Buddhism was the ONE TRUE RELIGION , but that if someone has religion, and they believe it is true, then that is the religion for them. BTW as buddhists do not have any form of god, your passage makes no sense as a valid arguement, sorry |
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Last Child: That actually is not correct, I think; some Buddhists have no form of God, but I believe that some Buddhists do. Signing out, Gwai
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the buddhist religion does not state there is a god. i did not say every buddhist is atheist, i was making a quick generalisation, based on my part, in order to show why mercutio's arguement has no power to me. sorry if i didn't make that clearer |
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Okie-doke.
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My passage was just showing how, as a Christian, I believe there is only one true way, and therefore this "correct" (in my opinion) religion should "suit" everyone. Do you think there is only one true religion, or not? I can't really tell.
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The miracle has aroused criticism from modern scholars on two grounds: first, the unreasonableness of our Lord’s action in looking for figs at Passover time; secondly, that such an action associated with His own hunger is both unlikely and unworthy of Him. The usual explanation is to say that a parable like that of the fig tree in Lk. 13:6-9 has reappeared in factual form. As to the first of the two objections, the probable explanation is that the fig tree in Palestine bears an early crop of immature fruit, like green knobs, which appears before the leaves (We've gone through that argument--fruit before leaves). Their absence was clear indication of the barrenness of the tree. As to the second objection, we may note that this was Christ’s only miracle of judgment, performed ‘in mercy to man, on an inanimate object, to teach a moral lesson’. The fig tree was a symbol of the Jewish nation, which abounded in the leaves of religious profession but was barren of the fruits of righteousness. Its cursing was prophetic of the fate of the Jewish authorities who were now about to reject their Messiah.
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no, there is no such thing as
One True Religion as we are all different, and i believe that people will determine for themselves what the right religion for them is. to quote someone (can't remember who): Quote:
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