04-26-2002, 12:14 PM | #941 | |
Elf Lord of the Grey Havens
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: somewhere else
Posts: 2,381
|
Quote:
If science was only for monkey curiousity then there would be no polio vaccine. I expect there were many onther more interesting research going on at the time. Science is not an entity. It would be more appropriate to say "the sciences". Most disciplines are interrelated in some way, but there are significant distictions in each discipline. Science is not a belief system, though you are correct in that some mistake it for one. Personally i find worship of anything silly. I think it makes people's seratonin rise or something. I found it just makes my knees hurt.
__________________
There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary |
|
04-26-2002, 12:29 PM | #942 | |
Elf Lord of the Grey Havens
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: somewhere else
Posts: 2,381
|
Quote:
My dog chose to pee on my new barbeque grill cover instead of anything else in the yard, therefore he has free will (unless dogs are genetically predetermined to pee on vinyl).
__________________
There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary |
|
04-26-2002, 01:01 PM | #943 | |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Darkness
Posts: 1,211
|
Quote:
tel·e·ol·o·gy Pronunciation Key (tl-l-j, tl-) n. pl. tel·e·ol·o·gies The study of design or purpose in natural phenomena. The use of ultimate purpose or design as a means of explaining phenomena. Belief in or the perception of purposeful development toward an end, as in nature or history. If the ultimate cause happens to be a blip in a steady state, what does that have to do with design? Not a thing. Interjecting divine intelligence is ADDING causal factors, not reducing them.
__________________
I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ... |
|
04-26-2002, 01:05 PM | #944 | ||
Elf Lord
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Darkness
Posts: 1,211
|
Quote:
That hard bone surrounding your brain. Everything in there you can "know". Anything outside it, you can only "accept". Quote:
__________________
I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ... Last edited by Blackheart : 04-26-2002 at 01:06 PM. |
||
04-26-2002, 01:12 PM | #945 | |
Elf Lord of the Grey Havens
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: somewhere else
Posts: 2,381
|
Quote:
__________________
There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary |
|
04-26-2002, 01:15 PM | #946 | |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Darkness
Posts: 1,211
|
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cirdan
We agree on this one. You've done a 180 on whether it is possible to see the causes of everything, so I'm a bit confused about that. Let's just say it may be theorectically possible but improbable. Confused? Good! It is the begining of true wisdom. Now let me confuse you further. It's IMPOSSIBLE to "know" anything outside your skull. While it may be theoretically possible to determine a finite number of causes for everything (which is very different than a SINGLE cause I might point out) you could never "know" it. Quote:
But there are things worthy of worship and spiritual contemplation. You'll just have to figure those out for yourself. I'm out of the God business. Last planet I created the bastards turned it into a giant Disco, and the moon into a giant mirror ball. I had to smite the entire planet. With chickens falling from the sky.
__________________
I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ... |
|
04-26-2002, 01:17 PM | #947 | |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Darkness
Posts: 1,211
|
Quote:
__________________
I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ... |
|
04-26-2002, 01:21 PM | #948 | |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Darkness
Posts: 1,211
|
Quote:
You only "know" the stimuli created when your sensory apparatus is contacted by the pressure, chemicals, and temperature approximating what your memory identifies as "cheeseburger". And nowadays, you might well have gotten a soyburger, draped in non-dairy cheese tripe. In which case, you were mistaken, "fooled" by the tricksy universe into activating those cheeseburger memories.
__________________
I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ... |
|
04-26-2002, 01:24 PM | #949 | |
Elf Lord of the Grey Havens
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: somewhere else
Posts: 2,381
|
Quote:
__________________
There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary |
|
04-26-2002, 02:03 PM | #950 | |
Elf Lord of the Grey Havens
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: somewhere else
Posts: 2,381
|
Quote:
In "The Matrix" maybe... or was it a movie, maybe this is the movie and that was the reality... "tasty wheat... Did you ever eat tasty wheat?" "No but technically, neither did you"
__________________
There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary |
|
04-26-2002, 02:09 PM | #951 | |
Elf Lord of the Grey Havens
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: somewhere else
Posts: 2,381
|
Quote:
If he does, i agree with his opinion, bound or not... i liked the old grill better.
__________________
There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary |
|
04-26-2002, 04:08 PM | #952 | |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Darkness
Posts: 1,211
|
Quote:
Unless you beleive that infinity can be proven to exist, you are making a metaphysical choice when you state you don't live in a closed system, That's fine, it's just as valid as any other statement of belief. Ummm. I'm sorry, but you have to accept the concept of perceptions as purely subjective. You may choose to believe that there are objects out there causing the perceptions, but perceptions most assuridly are subjective. They are easily influenced by things such as memory, mental state etc, precisely because they are subjective. I don't propose theories. I merely examine them for usefulness, and discard the ones that are lacking.
__________________
I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ... |
|
04-26-2002, 04:28 PM | #953 | ||
the Shrike
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: San Francisco, CA <3
Posts: 10,647
|
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
"Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords |
||
04-26-2002, 04:36 PM | #954 | |
the Shrike
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: San Francisco, CA <3
Posts: 10,647
|
Quote:
__________________
"Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords |
|
04-26-2002, 05:12 PM | #955 | |
Elf Lord of the Grey Havens
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: somewhere else
Posts: 2,381
|
Quote:
Can you prove that any event has finite causation? Did I say I believed it existed, or that it I beleived it was possible? So, if I can't prove infinity then all metaphysical choices are the same. Interesting logic. Subjective, of course. Assuming that perceptions are purely subjective stretches the meaning of the word. Fire is hot. I have sensed this phenomenon. Is it subjective? Do I just think it is hot? It is utter nonsense to think that the truth is immutable and unattainable by subjective sensory perceptions. Subjective... possibly purely subjective... that would be your logic on this one. Reality actually exists whether you "believe" it or not, despite the logical mobius strip of the "pure" subjectivity of sensation. How do you know they are purely subjective? Would that be just your imagination? When you examine theories subjectively, are you just perceiving their existence? Or are they all monkey waste prior to evaluation?
__________________
There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary |
|
04-26-2002, 05:52 PM | #956 | ||||||||||||
The Insufferable
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 3,333
|
Eh? Look at that. Lot's of Multi-Posts. Have you been hanging out with Ahab, Xandre? ]: )
Quote:
http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v3i5f.htm Quote:
Quote:
By the By... Have I mentioned I love your new sig? Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Anduril: Mere christianity has some of the most obtuse logic that I've ever read, even though C.S. Lewis does use some similar lines of thought to mine. It's a good book, though. Quote:
In either case: Evidence cannot command belief. There are people who still believe the world is flat and in the center of the unvierse. Quote:
Quote:
__________________
Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned |
||||||||||||
04-26-2002, 05:56 PM | #957 | |
Possessive Villain Fancier
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: On my ship, riding the waves YARR!
Posts: 2,008
|
Quote:
I've been reading this a while, you all have very different and strong view. Interesting...
__________________
My soul is painted like the wings of butterflies, Fairytales of yesterday will grow but never die, I can fly - my friends. XK |
|
04-26-2002, 06:03 PM | #958 | |
the Shrike
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: San Francisco, CA <3
Posts: 10,647
|
Quote:
Any site that even tries to claim that the Theory of Evolution is a science, as opposed to a social science has got to have a cork plugged up their rear end. Oh, and I can't be obnoxious like you? Do you have the license for being obnoxious? Damn. Well :P *Puts on anti-bap sheild.*
__________________
"Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords |
|
04-26-2002, 06:11 PM | #959 | |
Elf Lord of the Grey Havens
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: somewhere else
Posts: 2,381
|
Quote:
Abandoning the old testament after all this time? Well, at last we now agree that most of the bible is pointless. Matthew claimed that jesus said he was the law enforcer not the law giver. Hebrew law, maybe? Wayfarer, may I introduce Blackheart? You two should get along famously. I'm off for dinner. Try not to hit fifty pages before I get back.
__________________
There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary |
|
04-26-2002, 06:58 PM | #960 | ||||||
Elf Lord
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Darkness
Posts: 1,211
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
As for truth being immutable, I'm afraid that's your interjection. My point is that it's merely unobtainable unless you are willing to grant certain assumptions. Quote:
"Reality isn't" doesn't mean that nothing exists. It means that it isn't what you or I or anyone else thinks it is. It is "unknowable". Quote:
Something subjective must have gotten in your eye. Your coming at this far to literally I'm afraid, as if you were aghast that suddenly the world was going to vanish from underneath your feet. The real point is, unless you examine the subjectiveness of human experience, and account for it, then anything you examine is going to be biased to an unknown degree. If you do note which assumptions you are making, then you will still be a biased observer, but at least you'll know that you are, and possibly take it into account.
__________________
I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ... Last edited by Blackheart : 04-26-2002 at 07:01 PM. |
||||||
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Religious Knowledge Thread | Gwaimir Windgem | General Messages | 631 | 07-21-2008 04:47 PM |