04-18-2003, 03:42 PM | #941 |
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Funny thing Russia wanted to lift sanctions while Saddam was in power, now they don't want to lift them. Some fishy things going on...
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04-18-2003, 06:15 PM | #942 |
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I'm amazed that this is surprising you all...........several countries have deep financial commitments post-sanctions.....and we all knew that the oil would be the under the legal ownership of the UN security council...
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04-18-2003, 06:24 PM | #943 |
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Perhaps it has something to do with Bechtel?
50 years ago Bechtel built the pipeline to Syria. 20 years ago Donald Rumsfeld, Saddam Hussein, and a Bechtel executive met to discuss a pipeline to Jordan, but feared Israeli attacks. Later a Swiss lawyer tried to pay Israel's Labor Party a bribe for a promise not to attack the pipeline. Bechtel built Turkey's hydro-electric dam. Bush appointed Riley P. Bechtel to the President's Export Council. George Schultz, a Bechtel director, was Reagan's Secretary of State. Caspar Weinberger was recently an executive at Bechtel. Bechtel got the contract for reconstructing Iraq. Bush wants sanctions lifted to fund reconstruction. The contract is for 680 million dollars. Is this the "fishy" thing you were looking for?
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Oh Im unoriginal as usual then....
what about this one? http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj...lder/bush3.jpg EDIT: or this one http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj..._gulfwars2.jpg
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Are we posting Saddam spottings yet? That video from Abu Dahbi is an obvious double.
I saw him riding a bike today. He even had his silly black beret on.
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But of course France and Russia are going to try playing politics with people's like they did before the war. Quote:
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The argument for Gulf War I was also supposedly so we could take over Kuwaits oil - in addition to liberating them. It's amazing though - we didn't take over Kuwait's oil nor did we invade Iraq to take over their oil back in 1991. I guess it's just that the anti-war crowd needed something simplistic to rally behind - otherwise they might have actually had to face the brutality of the Iraqi regime. It seems as if most "peace activists" really don't care about the atrocities of the world - as long as they're kept behind closed doors.
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Surely it would be a simple matter of courtesy (not to mention a great beneficiary) to Iraq to honour those deals? Would save a lot of hassle in the long run The UN won't lift sanctions until the proof of WMD are in place (or lack of) so I guess it is up to Blix and his boys to finally do the job they had started...... Quote:
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No - but the US has veto power. France and Russia both wanted sanctions lifted. The US was the only one keeping them there. So NOW that the US says "okay - Hussein's regime is no more. " France and Russia say "wait - we shouldn't rush into lifting sanctions now". Quote:
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Do you think that we should just wait a year before rebuilding the schools and everything else so then the Iraqis can get the people they want to rebuild their country?
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No, immediate action is necessary, but it does raise questions.
You're right that the reasoning of the Russians, French and Germans against lifting sanctions is absolutely ridiculous, but there is a valid legal problem, which is why the American government is now proposing to lift the sanctions in stages. Lord knows, I'm not an international lawyer, but AFAIK the problem is this: if the money for rebuilding is coming as aid from America, like the initial two billion the Bush Administration asked Congress for, then certainly if the American taxpayers choose to take money from their pockets and put it into the pockets of Bechtel or Halliburton, that's their decision (barring any problems with the WTO). But, if the money is coming from Iraqi oil sales, there could be a problem down the road. What if the new government of Iraq refuses to honour those contracts, on the grounds that they were made by an American authority with an American company ( or any other company, for that matter) and are therefore not binding? Without the consent of the Security Council, which imposed the sanctions in the first place, the legal position is much trickier.
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Either he lied or he does nation-destroying, but doesn't build them up again.
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