Offshoot discussion of "what religion are you" thread

[Coney]

Originally posted by Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn
wiccan

*nods*...............with emphasis towards the triple-goddess?

[Ararax]

white wiccian im assuming

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by Lief Erikson
So the three doors I leave open are:
Think me insane (at least partially).
Think me very deluded.
Or think me a huge liar.

what about just mistaken? or some degree of brain washed?

[Coney]

Originally posted by Ararax
white wiccian im assuming

Whats a white wiccan?

[Lief Erikson]

Ararax, that's not correct.

Originally posted by Coney
Every war has a political agenda behind it.........but I can't think of a war, initiated bye the west,that has not called upon christianity to jusify it *shrugs*

Then there is still the witch burnings, Grand Inquisition etc etc etc

Luckily, in christianity.........all those who proclaim war.......that is not in Gods will, are off to hell

Muslim leaders in the past have attempted to do Jihad on the world, as in the present some are. Some Muslims are brutal torturers, just as some Christians in the past are. When many people believe in a religion and it has a control structure built into it, bad people will take advantage of their positions. Christianity was very vulnerable to such political machinations in the past, because of its powerful structure in Europe.

Political leaders who are going to declare war try to raise the moral of their nation. They try to make everyone think that their cause is right and just, no matter what. Religion has a very powerful influence on many people's thinking. In the west, perhaps Christianity is more prominent, so political leaders would logically be more willing to try exploiting it. In the Middle East, Islam is more prominent, so everyone appeals to Allah before going to war. Economical or political reasons are also responsible.

I still don't see Christianity as any worse than any other religion because of the violence that has happened within it. As I said before, it's human nature, not the religion.

However, I still maintain that it's ridiculous to judge the existence of the spiritual realm because people are sinful.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by azalea
I'm sure there are passages that can support either view, but I just thought I'd throw that into the mix for everyone's ponderation, that there are Christians out there that interpret that sentence differently than others.

Oh, and the "put your eyes out" passage can also be interpreted as Jesus using a strong visual image to get across an important point to people for whom a lot of these concepts were new and very foreign. I'm not saying it isn't true, that He didn't mean it literally necessarily

different interpretations from the same bible reference? bible passages not meant to be taken literally? metaphor and imagery in the bible to make a point only? sounds pretty heretical stuff to me. and a whole lot of sense too.

[Ararax]

well a white wiccian is a good wiccian (no hexing) they focus on protection chants and stuff black wiccians are pretty evil (no offense to any)

well if you have read bout the unpardonable sin in the book of matthew, it says that the only unpardonable sin is not accepting salvation aka thats the only reaosn youd go to hell, but thats the foundation of the words of jesus, that he died for everythign and we SHOULD want to do right, yes christianity is messed the @(^*(&$#@ up but thats what it is about

[Coney]

I still don't see Christianity as any worse than any other religion because of the violence that has happened within it. As I said before, it's human nature, not the religion.

Yet we still have world leaders proclaiming war in 2003 as "the will of God"........and you said

The reason Christianity is better than the other religions is quite simple.

If your [Chiristianity] religion is better than others..............thank the Gods I'm not a Christian.....Mass murderers, for the last 2000 yrs, in the name of a man brave enough to die for his belief

[Coney]

Originally posted by Ararax
[B]well a white wiccian is a good wiccian (no hexing) they focus on protection chants and stuff black wiccians are pretty evil (no offense to any)[B]

I have yet to meet a wiccan who who "hexes" .............and I'm sure there are no black wiccans.............what evil are they doing exaclty?

I've yet to hear of a wiccan who has a protection chant either

[Lief Erikson]

Please tell me the passage.

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
different interpretations from the same bible reference? bible passages not meant to be taken literally? metaphor and imagery in the bible to make a point only? sounds pretty heretical stuff to me. and a whole lot of sense too.

See my posts on page 45, please. I have written responding to that post of Azalea's.


I actually really wish more of you would respond to those posts on page 45. At least read them. Don't bring up the same questions here that they answered. I've discussed God's love, nature, science, who goes to heaven, spiritual experience. Later on I wrote on faith. You are bringing up the same questions or false assumptions without responding to what I've said on them.

If you have difficulties with these views, rather than repeating the same questions I answered, please read my answers and then question my answers. Thank-you .

[Ararax]

yes if jesus was here today he would not be a member of any organized religion, he preached about love not bout hatred, how can people kill in the name of someone who preached bout loveing everyone even those who killed him

ok protection chant is a miswording of what they do its similer to a catholic prayign to a saint, anyway black wiccians are very rare ive never met onebut hey some people are into strange stuff

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Coney
If your [Chiristianity] religion is better than others..............thank the Gods I'm not a Christian.....Mass murderers, for the last 2000 yrs, in the name of a man brave enough to die for his belief

I'm wondering why you are so very vocal about everything bad done by Christians in the past, but you don't seem to care about what's been done by Pagans?

[Coney]

*sigh*

[Coney]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
I'm wondering why you are so very vocal about everything bad done by Christians in the past, but you don't seem to care about what's been done by Pagans?

What was done bad by Pagans?..............remember the definition of Paganism?

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Ararax
yes if jesus was here today he would not be a member of any organized religion, he preached about love not bout hatred, how can people kill in the name of someone who preached bout loveing everyone even those who killed him

And how do you know that? Have you asked Him? Did He answer?

And he didn't only preach about love, but about virtue, and about Law, and about many different subjects.

[Lief Erikson]

Originally posted by Coney
Yet we still have world leaders proclaiming war in 2003 as "the will of God"........and you said


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The reason Christianity is better than the other religions is quite simple.
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If your [Chiristianity] religion is better than others..............thank the Gods I'm not a Christian.....Mass murderers, for the last 2000 yrs, in the name of a man brave enough to die for his belief

You expect every Christian to be perfect and free from temptation simply because it's the correct religion?

[Ararax]

is any religion perfect? if you say one is your deluded, its about ones personal relationship to God, its bout a persons heart not bout how they look

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Coney
What was done bad by Pagans?..............remember the definition of Paganism?

Well, let's see: You named the ancient Romans as a good example of Paganism. There were lots of things. Burning people alive as torches, feeding them to lions, crucifixion, and so on. Also, the ancient Romans did attempt to wipe out Christians in their Empire, just as Christianity did to Pagans in Christendom.

By the way, do you consider human sacrifice to be "bad"?

Please note, I'm not attacking Paganism. I'm just stating that bad things have been done by at least nearly all religions.

As a side note, what branch of Paganism are you? And another side note: do Pagans consider Druidry to be Pagan, or a different religion?

[Lief Erikson]

Originally posted by Coney
What was done bad by Pagans?..............remember the definition of Paganism?

People of all sorts of different religions have done horrible deeds. The Aztecs' sacrifices, the Druids' tortures. I must agree with Gwaimir, you are targetting Christianity indiscriminately.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Lief Erikson
I still don't see Christianity as any worse than any other religion because of the violence that has happened within it. As I said before, it's human nature, not the religion.

Thank you. That's my point. Religion is a means to control the masses. I don't care if it is Christianity, Islam, or whatever. You made my point. Thank you again.