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06-04-2003, 04:04 PM | #922 |
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hm?only a few moths older than me?.....I thought you were 40 something...no offence:P
haha............I have not..........but I have set my view on what I believe to be true, and evolution doesn't sound MORE reasonable,so I don't change MY view. if it's the same for you,but you are more open,then so be it.I won't turn away form creationism...:P |
06-04-2003, 04:08 PM | #923 |
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nah, not a few (which is 2). i said several :P I was born in April 88' and you (according to your profile) Dec 88'
Actually, ZERO offense taken - that is like a high compliment I'm glad we can agree to disagree :P
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06-04-2003, 04:10 PM | #924 |
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heheheheh....me too,I suppose.:P
well,my dad is 40,and he is.........VERY disagreeable and stubborn.........but I suppose you could say the same of me,yes?heheheh No hard feelings, ~Giroth |
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06-05-2003, 01:26 AM | #927 | |
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I think Hobbit expressed it well when he said "Reasonable? Yes. It is very reasonable, thats why so many people believe in it without even trying to understand evolution." Now that's how I mean it. Hobbit doesn't think that it's scientific, or that any data supports it (if I read him correctly - is that right, Hobbit?), but he can see how it is a reasonable thought. Let me try another illustration here - perhaps this will help. I think you guys are just reading way too much into the question. OK, the animal cops (hmm, perhaps blue jays? They seem like they might be good cops) get called out to a crime scene at the local zoo - there is a little bird house (say about 1 foot by 1 foot, or 25 cm by 25 cm) that someone broke into and wrote teensy little graffiti on the interior walls. The door of the birdhouse was taken off, but the birdhouse was left entirely undamaged otherwise. Now the elephant area is on one side of the birdhouse, and the squirrel area is on the other. Would it be reasonable to think that the elephant MIGHT have done it? Well, no, not really. And that's the level I'm trying to get at - a basic, first-cut shot at the solution of a problem. In this case, it would be reasonable to think that the squirrels MIGHT have done it (cheeky little buggars!) Further investigation might prove, however, that the snakes did it (or even the elephants somehow!) But it is REASONABLE to think that the squirrels MIGHT have done it. Does that explain it more clearly? Does anyone else have a better way to word what I'm trying to ask?
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06-05-2003, 02:22 AM | #928 |
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RÃ*an - do you mean reasonable as in weighing the evidence of both possibilities and then, once this is done, elliminating the option that cannot hold true due to spesific elements prohibiting the assimilation of that into a person's reality? (like in your analogy about the grafiti on the bird house - the elephant is probably elliminated due to size, i.e it is unbelievable that he could have done it as he is too big to fit in there & we cannot assimilate the possibility of a big elephant doing such small work into our preconceived ideas of what elephants are capable of)
this conversation about AWOL elephants & Blue jays will of course not make sense anywhere else (why am I struggling so much with English today?)
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Rian, I geuss I'll take, I don't really know what your asking thought, I do belive that there had to be a desiner behind it all, and I believe in Christianity, so is that what you were asking, or were you asking about posting the links? Or the info.? Eather way, yes to all of them. Or, if you were talking about something else, then I'm really lost and please try to explain it again!
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Did you see my little crime-at-the-zoo example (I think on the previous page)? In that example, it's reasonable to think that a smaller-type animal was responsible. Now when the evidence is gathered and looked at, we might find something different, or we might find our initial guess was right. But I'm NOT talking about looking at evidence, I'm talking about just a first-cut-at-things idea - is it reasonable, looking at the complex world around us, to think that perhaps an intelligent and powerful being designed and made the world?
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I didn't think this would be such a difficult-to-understand question
Hobbit, you seem to catch what I mean - how would YOU word it? Is my wording just really unclear?
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How about hippopotamus?
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No, I wouldn't want you to write off the elephant. That would be wrong to do at this point. Remember, we haven't started the investigative work yet. But I would think that most people would agree that it is more reasonable to initially think that the squirrel might have done it - do you guys agree? I meant to make the birdhouse size such that (1) the DOOR of it would not admit an elephant's trunk; (2) but if you took a side of it off, an elephant's trunk would fit. Or we could just switch from one big mammal to another - how about switching from an elephant to a killer whale? That would make it even less likely! But again, I'm not talking about eliminating other possibilities - just is it reasonable to think blah blah blah yada yada yada. (I'm sure you guys are getting as sick of this as I am, but I think you're finally starting to see what I mean. I wish I could word things better.) Quote:
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ps - do you know what Icholta is doing right now, Eärniel?
pps - I'll finish off this topic today and start with the links - thanks for being so patient, everyone.
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here ends the little intermezzo.(before we go entirly off topic )
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... but are there any birdhouses on the compound .....
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So maybe we should get to the point before I go completely [EDIT: off] my rocker (provided I didn't do that already long ago) and just say: Yes, an intelligent designer of the world may be a reasonable thing to think at first sight. I believe that is the main point of our little zoo-drama.
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