02-01-2006, 05:12 PM | #921 | |
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And, I for one, do not think you have joined the SS unless it was an approved German value in the 1930's and 1940's. Wait a minute.........
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02-01-2006, 05:27 PM | #922 |
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What?? Inked, morality is a concept invented by the human race. It obviously comes from society. The idea of gods also comes from society. Human beings made gods and established moral tenets.
BTW, Wordy McWord, I love all the pseudo-intellectual jibber-jabber; it's always good for a laugh!
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02-01-2006, 06:03 PM | #923 |
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Errr, Hebrews 11: 1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. That was NIV, but I first discovered and fell in love with the King James version here: 1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. This for me is a favorite passage...beautiful
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02-01-2006, 06:04 PM | #924 |
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well if i'm going to be compared to a nazi, there is no point in continuing... though i think if you thought about things a bit deeper you might see at least a glimmer of reality in what i'm trying to express
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02-01-2006, 06:09 PM | #925 |
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He might see great, blinding flashes of reality in what you're trying to express, but he'll be damned if he ever stoops to aquiesce a good point to ANYone if that mooter doesn't happen to be just like him. Sad, but true. Great "Christian" example.
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02-01-2006, 06:42 PM | #926 | |
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Unless you REALLY think that the Nazi's societally derived moral values were wrong. And I'd like to know why you think that. Also your reference to humanity's progress over the past times and particularly in America have several questions begging to be asked. 1) The century with the greatest advance and usage of killing effectiveness is a moral improvement over the Middle Ages in what way, exactly? 2) If America is the exemplar you suggest, why are the wags opposing the Iraq war on moral grounds?
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02-01-2006, 06:46 PM | #927 | |
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02-01-2006, 07:07 PM | #928 | |
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02-01-2006, 08:03 PM | #929 | |
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Brownie - I've got several pending questions for you, when you get a chance ... also, what do you think of the thing I wrote about morality? Does that make sense to you?
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02-01-2006, 08:47 PM | #930 | |
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02-01-2006, 08:53 PM | #931 |
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Oh, Lotesse, you make me blush!
Actually though there are serious contenders for the title to whom I cannot unfasten the latch of their sandal.
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02-02-2006, 09:35 AM | #932 | |
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Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For me this is the most reached for item on my utility belt (no, I don't fly an invisible jet or have a 'truth-telling-lasso'....but I would like to!). Faith for me is when the 'horrible' happens...and it does and will...I don't assume I understand everything about the situation or get angry at my Lord and walk away mad. In the stead, it is a matter of a running dialogue with Him saying sage things as, "Wow, I REALLY don't understand why this is happening." or "This is soooo painful, please make it stop!" or "Please turn this bill into a bar of chocolate." Errrrrr, maybe not the last, but chocolate to me is proof 'once again' God loves us and wants us happy. Seriously, though, and back to the subject, Chocolate is really great. I mean FAITH is for me that commitment to Him in 1. Attitude 2. Action 3. Hope I begin with the understanding that He is forever more faithful than I am. AND, importantly, faithful to me, when I am not to him (nope, not perfect, eh). This is all I think to write on the subject for the moment, R*an
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02-02-2006, 01:46 PM | #933 |
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thank you very much for sharing!! I love when people share their thoughts in a thoughtful way.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
02-02-2006, 04:46 PM | #934 | |
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Rad, here's my thoughts on the points you've raised about the Holocaust, if you're interested:
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Here's what I think: God's "problem" is that He's too good. See, you seem to be content with God just basically stopping murders and the really bad stuff, while letting minor stuff go. You are rightly angered and offended against those who carried out the crimes of the Holocaust on the innocent victims, and so is God. But the difference is that while you seem content to let some sins slide, God (who is completely good) is NOT. Can you see the logic of this? You are a moral but imperfect being (sorry to call you on that! I hope you admit it ); you cry out against the wrongdoings that took place in the Holocaust, but are content to let other, more "minor" wrongdoings slide. And logically, a perfectly good being would have the same reaction as you to the Holocaust, in addition to the "minor" sins that you think should slide. Can you agree that this makes sense? If so, I'll move on to the second half of the question. If not, let's discuss this part more.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 02-02-2006 at 05:14 PM. |
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I think there's a lot of misconception about Witchcraft in Western society, but I'll have to address that another time. I think it would be interesting to talk about. It's too bad because there are a number of awesome posts. Thanks for sharing very personal experiences and thoughts with us Lief. I enjoyed your post.
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02-03-2006, 11:12 AM | #936 |
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If any desire to discuss Wican and it's various branches and spellings, I think a new topic would be appropriate provided we have enough diverse interest and not just a few, in which case I'd suggest PM'ng the stuff. ......whew, a run on run on sentence.
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02-03-2006, 12:46 PM | #938 |
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Inked, no offense but how come you don't like to actually WRITE what you want to say, you always use links instead? I personally hate looking up links in this way, when someone just slaps a link down and then says "What about this?" So lazy. What does that link say, Inked? Can you at least paraphrase it?
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02-03-2006, 02:17 PM | #939 | |
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Lief- I think our argument really is going nowhere; I think I'm right and you think you are... and I don't feel like annoying you with my opinions about your expiriences with God so..
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I find it illogical to demand from human beings to be perfect. As an all-knowing being he should know that it's impossible and demand less, even though he wishes an "ideal world" (which he could create anyway if he really wanted to). I don't think it makes sense to judge a person who lied the same way one judges a person who killed or raped. |
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