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Being proactive - is not always a bad thing and is sometimes necessary. Which in the case of Iraq - I think it is since he refuses to fully comply with the UN resolutions.
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We were in the same boat . Agh, anyway, this is petty. I'll sit out now and listen for a while. Talk to you more another time, jerseydevil. |
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02-18-2003, 03:05 AM | #925 | |
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She also made another point for me too. Everyone is saying that if we go into Iraq he MIGHT use his weapons. By going against Germany it MIGHT have given Hitler MORE reason to ally himself with Mexico. It doesn't mean we should have been afraid to go against hitler though and stayed on the sidelines of WWII until he actually did something against us.
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02-18-2003, 03:11 AM | #926 | |
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02-18-2003, 03:25 AM | #928 |
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Okay. Really slowly:
You said: I should hope it was since we fought TWO world wars which had NOTHING to do with us in all actuallity. We could have left you deal with Germany and we could have just have concentrated on Japan. To which I said: Actually, there is evidence to suggest that German was trying to ally with Mexico. You responded: But he didn't. So your point is? And I replied: Only because it was blown out of the water by the British Code-Breakers. And I would have thought my point was excruciatingly obvious. I clarified further as Leif seemed a bit confused over my point: Something like that. http://www.disappearing-inc.com/Z/z...antelegram.html http://www.pittstate.edu/services/s.../wwi/zimmer.htm ****** My point is that the US would not have been able to pursue an isolationist policy. And then back to you: But he didn't and based on what everyone has been saying - we should not have attacked Germany - even if he was planning on attcking us through Mexico. We should have basically have waited until he attacked California, New Mexico, Arizona or Texas. I don't know how your statement that Germany was planning on allying itself with Mexico supports your argument against proactive attack. [Note: the first usage of 'pro-active' between our debate comes from YOU not me.] And my response: It's simple. I WASN'T arguing the pro-active argument. I was commenting on your isolationist arguments.
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And then you claimed to "get" what I was saying:
I knew what BoP was getting at - I just wanted to make my point stick in a little more. To which Lief said: Hmm, somehow I recall you saying "I don't know how your statement that Germany was planning on allying itself with Mexico supports your argument against proactive attack." We were in the same boat . And you followed up with: I wanted her to explain why a proactive attack was valid in her own words. Everyone is saying that we can't go proactively into Iraq even though they refuse to comply with inspections and the resolutions. I have been arguing that sometimes beig proactive is necessary. And then it's back to me... Er. Did you miss something? I wasn't arguing the pro-active argument!!! At no point have I even delved into that argument!!! Please credit the arguments to the appropriate people. And finally: If you say so. To which I respond: Yes. I do say so. I said it a few times.
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By the way - back then over 6 months ago - you were arguing we were rushing to war. It doesn't seem like that much of a rush to me. We've been giving Iraq chance after chance after chance to come clean.
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I'll say it again: I brought up the Mexican reference purely in response to US isolationism. I was not at any point during TODAYS debate referencing to pro-activism. Now if you'll excuse me: I have a date with a brick wall....
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By the way: I'd like for you to actually point out where I mentioned the word "pro-active" in my arguments at any give point during this thread, apart from where I was diassociating myself from the argument.
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What brains? I'm blonde.
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Good News! australias foolproof against any air attacks if we go to war against iraq... it said on the news tonight about how leaflets were given out at an airshow showing all Military Bases, Explosives factories/storage, communication etc etc and its all available on the internet ohhh well alls good we got anti terrorist leaflets aswell one more for the stupid govt
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“Well except for Japan - they hadn't attacked us. So why should we get involved? You're saying we should wait until Saddam Hussein actually does something before doing anything.” And I completed: “And, if memory is right, you declared war to Japan and Germany declared war to you afterwards.” Meaning that after Pearl Harbour you declared war and Germany answered by declaring it in turn. The point was simply to show war was unavoidable, but since you clarified your position it becomes irrelevant. Quote:
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Er...
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