12-05-2010, 08:00 AM | #921 |
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The main argument in her defense was that her confession may have been coerced while she was held in isolation and unable to contact a lawyer- I'm sure we all agree that confessions made under duress without access to counsel should be thrown out as worthless.
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But your claim that Christianity tout court demanded that homosexual persons be racked, hung, disemboweled, etc. for 1500 years is flat-out absurd, an untrue slur, and frankly just as bigoted and blinkered as the claim that Islam as a monolithic entity is a religion of violence. Quote:
EDIT: Although I cannot say for certain about Judaism historically, I know that today many Orthodox Jewish leaders distinguish between anal sex and other same-sex acts, and considered the latter to be significantly less problematic. Given the general trend in Judaism towards pastorality and meeting people where they are, I'd suspect that the same was true historically, so that the claim that Judaism simplistically demanded that homosexual persons be stoned is quite doubtful.
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How about we all agree that, whether there is a Creator of the ten billion Universes or not, He/She/ It/They does not particularly give a damn about whether two people of the same sex of one of the thousands of species on one of the billions of planets in one of the trillions of galaxies, rub their naugthy bits together? Quote:
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12-12-2010, 12:40 PM | #924 |
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12-12-2010, 01:07 PM | #925 |
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Look, as far as I can see,there is no problem whatsoever with Christianity accepting total gay equality, the same way it can accept total female equality- it doesn't alter the essential message, which is salvation and forgiveness.
If a Church chooses to draw a line in the sand on something as silly and non-essential as that, they will meet the result that the Catholic Church has met in the West. I speak as someone having, over the years, met numbers of priests, monks and nuns involved in projects in poor third-world countries, and always having respect for their knowledge, concern and interest in the people they were dealng with- unlike certain other religious denominations; one thing you will come across from even the most hard-core secularists is respect for Catholic workers on the ground.
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12-12-2010, 02:49 PM | #926 |
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The Church, Roman and Orthodox and Protestant, need not change its teaching to suit the culture at all. Secularists may desire it, promote it, even kill to try to accomplish such change. The Romans did, but you might note that you are not offering a pinch of incense to Caesar and worshipping at his statue to prove you are a genuine citizen.
To confuse the secular feminist agenda and the gay agenda with Christianity is just as erroneous as civilly requiring idol worship. The governing secularists will employ all their power to enforce conformity with their agendas, just check out your history from 1 AD to the legalization of Christianity and the secular administrations of the USSR before it fell (particularly Stalinists) and Red China today. But the truth of the faith doesn't change to suit the whims of the culture.
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A better approach to see ecclesiastical attitudes towards homosexuality is to look at the legislation and application of canonical penalties. They tended to focus on clerical offenders, and usually involved deposition from the clerical state. Even here, though, there was (as always happened in systems based on Roman law) a gap between legislation and application. For instance, St. Anselm of Canterbury (famous for Cur Deus Homo, the so-called ontological argument for the existence of God, and satisfaction theory; generally considered the most important Western theologian between Augustine and Aquinas) in the beginning of the twelfth century advocated leniency and moderation in the application of canonical penalty for sodomy, on the grounds that "the sin is so public and widespread that few even notice it, and thus they enter into it without realizing its gravity." Not quite the same as demanding homosexuals be flayed alive, now is it? Quote:
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12-13-2010, 09:11 PM | #928 |
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Do allow the internet to help:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=ff...the+gay+agenda The Gay Agenda, 1983, excerpted .... is rather funny. See search list. More seriously, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_agenda and the uses of the term. I am not sure whom you should address in the matter of your failure to get a copy, since, apparently on this matter, you are quite the literalist!
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12-13-2010, 10:30 PM | #929 |
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Perhaps this is what is meant:
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12-15-2010, 09:53 AM | #930 |
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GW, see the abortion II thread about gay adopters and surrogacy et alia and comment there about the issues raised, please.
I posted it there because of the LARGER ISSUES of BABY-MAKING and ABORTION and not because of the homosexual contextualization by the WSJ. But you will need read the WHOLE article to get to the points about agendas being fulfilled.
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Flash updates: belated congrats to USA for repealing DADT.
Congrats to Illinois for recognising civil unions. Mourning for David Kato, gay activist murdered in Uganda. (And for anybody who swallows the government's line that he was murdered by a homosexual prostitute, I've got a few Chinese dissidents or Iranian adulteresses you may want to meet. - "Oh, no, that's totally different, those are good people, not some icky gay who deserved what he got.")
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02-13-2011, 12:18 AM | #932 |
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Gah. Just, ... GAH.
http://fatlip.leoweekly.com/2011/02/...ms-date-night/ Fail on so many levels. You apparently can't be a gay christian. And you certainly can't besmirch their "museum" with teh gayz. Entirely their prerogative, I know, on who they choose to let in, but... EH.
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Tsssk, and just when one thought the creation museum couldn't fail any more than it already had...
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02-13-2011, 08:05 AM | #934 |
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They would probably say that since God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve....
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I was so horrified to hear about that. The media have power, and when they literally preach murder, murder is what happens.
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The CDC has published the most current data on the GLB demographic and illness and risk et alia. You may view it here:
http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/20...ce=govdelivery
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I'm not surprised.
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I was kind of surprised about smoking.
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One question I'd have is that this is about high school students who self-report. Could it be likely that students who are GLBT- oriented but not open to admitting it are skewing the results? Quote:
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to be fair, i haven't read the article yet, but the results sound promising.
Adams et al. "Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?" abstract: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
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