02-17-2003, 07:48 PM | #901 |
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Also - you might want to look at Robert Byrd's record. He is the KING of pork barrel projects.
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02-17-2003, 07:55 PM | #902 |
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Wow, not much more to say, now .
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02-17-2003, 08:05 PM | #904 | |
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The fact is that Resultion 1441 requires Hussein to comply unditionally or face severe consequences. He is not complying - even according to Hans Blix - so he's using another resolution as a door mat and France and Germany and the rest of the inept UN are letting him.
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The economy was a bubble econmy which was created under the Clinton administation and had actually started to unravel in his last year of office. 9/11 did not help the situation after that and being in continuous fear of a terrorist attack is not helping the stock market. But th unemployment rate of the US is only a little above 6% - the only reason why it sounds so much worse than it is - is because it was 4% before. Germany's unemployment rate however is 10.5% and the rest of Europe is only slightly below that. In terms of the deficit - the deficit in terms of GDP of the United States is minor.
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But the question was not that, I was rather curious that you being pro-active would like to sit waiting for Hitler to make his move, doesn’t seems very congruent. Ah yes, Slobodan, actually, that was a reactive action. The argument used for war now was not what Saddan is doing but what he might do, not the same thing. But I do believe that there isn’t much to be add to this discussion.
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We went in there because we were afraid that it WOULD spill over into the rest Europe. In other words we acted PROACTIVELY. We should have acted far sooner though - we would have saved thousands of innocent lives.
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Only because it was blown out of the water by the British Code-Breakers. And I would have thought my point was excruciatingly obvious.
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And even if your point is meant to be extremely obvious, I'm afraid I still don't see it. Is your point that we had a reason to attack Germany because it was trying to attack us? I think that if that's your point, it's pretty lame, because it is obvious that Hitler was after world conquest. Our taking a passive stance to that war would have had disastrous effects upon the world, even though it didn't effect us quickly. Its effects would have been later on, when they came after us. But we saw the threat and attempted to neutralize it, even though Germany wasn't after America. Whatever way you look at it, whether you're saying in that fight we were reactive or the attackers, the situation still says something for not being reactive. Last edited by Lief Erikson : 02-18-2003 at 02:06 AM. |
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Something like that.
http://www.disappearing-inc.com/Z/zi...ntelegram.html http://www.pittstate.edu/services/sc...wwi/zimmer.htm ****** My point is that the US would not have been able to pursue an isolationist policy.
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I don't know how your statement that Germany was planning on allying itself with Mexico supports your argument against proactive attack.
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I think BeardofPants is trying to make World War 2 useless as an example of successful proactive attack, based on the idea that we were acting entirely on self interest.
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