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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 02-28-2007 at 11:31 PM. |
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Sis - ps - I didn't mean "assume" in a casual sense; I meant it in a formal sense.
BB - when you said you were concerned about my "intellectual honesty", to me, that means you're concerned that I'm being intellectually dishonest. Maybe you use it a different way, though. Maybe you just meant that you thought I was intellectually inept, which I'm sure I am many times . But dishonest, I'm not. And when you use a word like "honest", and say you're concerned about it, then it just seemed very natural to think you meant I was being dishonest. Do you see where I was coming from? Anyway, from the rest of your post, it looks like you think my technique is at fault. I've never had any formal training so I"m not surprised at that! I just try to read people's posts, think about them and analyze them, and then respond honestly and thoughtfully.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Okay, I won't quibble about math!! *bows to your geekdom*
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math iz fun! *geeky look*
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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03-01-2007, 10:57 AM | #909 | |
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Rian, from the online encyclopedia,
formerly the Encylopedia Brittanica.
[QUOTE]AXIOM (Gr. &iwµa) , a See also:GENERAL GENERAL (Lat. generalis, of or relating to a genus, kind or class)general proposition or principle accepted as self-evident, either absolutely or within a particular See also:SPHERE (Gr. vclsa?pa, a ball or globe)sphere of thought . Each See also:SPECIALspecial See also:SCIENCE (Lat. scientia, from scire; to learn, know)science has its own axioms (cf. the Aristotelian &pxai, " first principles"), which, however, are sometimes susceptible of See also:PROOF (in M. Eng. preove, proeve, preve, &°c., from O. Fr . prueve, proeve, &c., mod. preuve, Late. Lat. proba, probate, to prove, to test the goodness of anything, probus, good)proof in another wider science . The See also:GREEK GREEK, ETRUSCAN ANDGreek word was probably confined by See also:PLATOPlato to mathematical axioms, but See also:ARISTOTLE ARISTOTLE (384-322 B.C.)Aristotle gave it also the wider significance of the ultimate principles of thought which are behind all special sciences (e.g. the principle of See also: CONTRADICTION, PRINCIPLE OF (principium contradictionis)contradiction) . These are apprehended solely by the mind, which may, however, be led to them by an inductive See also:PROCESS process . After Aristotle, the See also:TERMterm was used by the See also:STOICSStoics and the school of See also:RAMUS, PETRUS, or PIERRE DE LA RAMEE (1515-1572)Ramus for a proposition simply, and See also:BACON BACON (through the O. Fr. bacon, Low Lat. baco, from a Teutonic word cognate with " back," e.g. O. H. Ger. pacho, M. H. Ger. backe, buttock, flitch of bacon) BACON, FRANCIS (BARON VERULAM, VISCOUNT ST ALBANS) (1561-1626) BACON, JOHN (1740–1799) BACON, LEONARD (1802–1881)BACON, ROGER (c. 1214-c. 1294)BACON, SIR NICHOLAS (1509-1579) Bacon {Nov . See also:ORGAN Organ. i . 7) used it of any general proposition . The word was reintroduced in See also:MODERN modern See also:PHILOSOPHY (Gr. gthos, fond of, and vo4 (a, wisdom)philosophy probably by Rene See also: DESCARTES, RENE (1596-1650)Descartes (or by his followers)who, in the See also: SEARCH, or VISIT AND SEARCHsearch for a definite self-evident principle as the basis of a new philosophy, naturally turned to the See also:FAMILIAR (through the Fr. familier, from Lat. familiaris, of or belonging to the familia, family)familiar science of See also:MATHEMATICS (Gr. /saBnµar1Kil, Sc. vOcvn or E7rlQTt'µn; from p iN.La, "learning" or "science ")mathematics . The See also:AXIOM (Gr. &iwµa)axiom of See also:CARTESIANISM Cartesianism is, therefore, the Cogito ergo sum . See also: KANT, IMMANUEL (1724-1804) Kant still further narrowed the meaning to include only self-evident (intuitive) synthetic propositions, i.e. of space and See also:TIME (0. Eng. Lima, cf. Icel. timi, Swed. timme, hour, Dan. time; from the root also seen in " tide," properly the time of between the flow and ebb of the sea, cf. O. Eng. getidan, to happen, " even-tide," &c.; it is not directly related to Lat. tempus)TIME, MEASUREMENT OF TIME, STANDARDtime . The nature of axiomatic certainty is See also:PARTpart of the fundamental problem of See also:LOGIC (Xoy1K7, sc. rixvrt, the art of reasoning)logic and See also:METAPHYSICS METAPHYSICS, or METAPHYSIC (from Gr. /sera, after, d v med, things of nature, lots, i.e. the natural universe)metaphysics . Those who deny the possibility of all non-empirical knowledge naturally hold that every axiom is ultimately based on observation . For the Euclidian axioms see See also: GEOMETRYGEOMETRY . Quote:
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If it wasn't for Plato, sophistry would still be a compliment.
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Anyway, I'm guessing we agree about the general idea of the word's meaning, though, right?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 03-01-2007 at 03:56 PM. |
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The thing is: they WON. They won for a reason, because their arguements (talking about Plato here...) were better. Not all trash is priceless...
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03-01-2007, 04:22 PM | #914 | |
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Rian, you didn't read carefully enough.
"A general proposition or principle accepted as self evident" would be "agreed upon" as self-evident, particularly with a further clarification as "either absolutely or within a particular sphere of thought."
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03-01-2007, 04:39 PM | #917 |
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hector, no one but you ever said
that "you won cause you're famous." I don't know where you'd even insert that in the conversation.
brown jenkins and I were just agreeing, as is historically accurate, that the negative picture most people have of sophistry is due largely to Plato's biased version of it.@@ "The people who won", in various venues, have won due to a number of causes, most of them only marginally related to the rigor of their relationship with TRUTH, or that "their arguments were better". |
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I said I was fine with "agreed", anyway, so what's the big deal? You started this by nitpicked my use of the word "assumed" in my casual definition of axiom/postulate, and you said I was wrong. I provided a dictionary definition from a respected source that used "assume" several times right in the definition, which proved I was right. You never acknowledged that I was right and that you were wrong over this word, and you still haven't provided a defintion of axiom or postulate that uses your word ("agreed"). And even though you still haven't provided a definition of axiom or postulate with "agreed" in it, I was gracious enough to concede its use to you, yet you still haven't conceded I'm right about "assumed", even though I provided a dictionary definition that used it. What's up? You were wrong about "assume" - so what? :shrug: We're all wrong sometimes. 'Fess up and let's keep the conversation going What's your background in math, btw? Quote:
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 03-01-2007 at 05:27 PM. |
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Are we playing word find?
Then find me where I said you were "wrong."
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