12-05-2005, 02:19 PM | #881 | |
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12-05-2005, 02:47 PM | #882 | ||
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as an interesting footnote, in 1912, congressman seaborn roddenberry of georgia proposed this constitutional amendment: Quote:
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12-05-2005, 02:52 PM | #883 |
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Well, I've got to go dust off the car and shovel a bit of snow; it's coming down quite hard; and so I can't accurately comment on that as my lawyer is out of town.
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[off-topic] Really? That's interesting. Where did you get that information? [/off-topic]
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[off-topic]I forget. I'm pretty sure it was my first year anthropology course. (I loved that class so very, very much.)
The genetic diversity in Africa (and lack outside) is due to only a small group of African people leaving the continent. These few groups of people are the ancestors of all non-Africans. Thus Africa has not only those people's genes, but all the people that didn't leave.[/off-topic]
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12-05-2005, 03:31 PM | #887 |
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12-05-2005, 03:46 PM | #888 | ||
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Heh sorry. I'll stop the OTness now.
So what did you think of my earlier comments? (Oppression jokes aside. )
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12-05-2005, 03:51 PM | #889 |
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I'm not going into O.T. comments.
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12-05-2005, 03:56 PM | #890 | ||
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I don't think this is a "rights" issue here, it appears to be more of a "morality" issue, unfortunately that complicates things. As far as i can tell everyone has the same inalienable rights, and i personally have never seen anyone discriminated against because he/she was of a different orientation.
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12-05-2005, 04:08 PM | #891 | |
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And another thing on the original statement - for an extreme but perfectly valid example - pedophiles are a minority, and I hope no one would object to non-pedophiles (a majority) determining the rights of pedophiles (a definite minority) when legislation is under consideration concerning sex crimes. I just think statements like that are easy to say, but do not stand up to scrutiny. Basically what the person saying that is saying, on every occasion when I've heard it and questioned them, is that the majority should rule on occasions when they agree with them, and majority should NOT rule in cases where they disagree with them. It's easy to criticize; harder to propose solutions. We had a discussion on this a while back, and personally I think that our system in the USA is one of the best possible ones, given the diversity of opinion of people in general. But no system is perfect, because people aren't perfect. Re your Canadian/American example - I would answer, "well, that would be a bummer!" And if enough Canadians thought that was wrong, (MAJORITY) or if it could be proved to the satisfaction of the MAJORITY of the legal/legislative subset of Canadians, then it would be changed. Life doesn't guarantee fair treatment, that's just a simple observeable (and sad) fact. I think we all need to fight for what we think is right. And that will differ, even among sincere people. So it often comes down to majority - just the way life is. And I'm waiting to see any better options.
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What you said has nothing to do with my example, IRex - I was only discussing the "majorities should not determine the rights of minorities" statement and showing problems with it. I was not even considering whether or not allowing homosexual marriage is right or not. I was only showing that that statement had flaws in it when examined.
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... never mind that ... how do we then define majority?? ..exactly fifty-fifty? ... talk about loading the dice there Nurv! BTW ... Ri - very odd to bring in pedophiles as a casual (or not) example there??? ... is there a reason you chose that particular example?? |
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*winks at Jonathan*
actually .. i'm not sure i agree with that ... start from there ...then decide? .. that implies upon consideration, subsequent positions may actually then decide to take rights away?? regardless of opinion or morality or position ... i thought the whole point of "Rights" whatever or wherever or whenever they are or relate to, is that they are by definition as "rights" universal? ...else they are not "rights" but priveledges. best BB |
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12-05-2005, 04:48 PM | #899 |
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but "rights" may be moral or legal...and if the later, laws are needed...if the former, society determines whether they exist at all.
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