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In time, it will become less socially acceptable, just like racism.
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11-23-2007, 05:13 AM | #882 | |
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I know it's hard to understand, but peer reviewed journals are free to publish what they want. It is fallacy to ascribe these views to the APA just because they own the journal. Thirdly, the review presupposes the existence of "ex-gays" and therefore falls to a circular logic. I'm sorry that you find good science ridiculous, and would be happy to elucidate if that would be of assistance |
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11-24-2007, 07:09 PM | #883 |
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Hey, here's good science: http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1123/p01s01-uspo.htm
What's the APA definition of Homophobia, by the way? Is that fear of humans, like deer and elk and bear in hunting seasons have? Deconstructing the word yields "irrational fear of humans". But the deer and elk and bear (et alia) are rightly - if not rationally - fearful of humans. Jus' wonderin', y'all.
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11-25-2007, 07:45 PM | #885 |
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Jonathan, I understand that the definition of homophobia is so defined as you state it. It is available at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobia
which suggests in the first entry that it was coined in the timeframe of 1955 - 1960 (if I read it aright). My question was what was the APA definition of homophobia - that was perhaps too subtle a dig at the need for a psychiatric definition which has genuine diagnostic meaning and the nominal, cultural use of the term. It was a genuine request for the diagnostic category's components. I strongly suspect that there is major DISCRIMINATION between what constitutes true homophobia and the rampant use of a pop-psychological employance of the term. The latter is a well defined technique to smear the opposing person's views - however rational and based in fact and moral and ethical considerations, etc. - by labelling them with a psychiatric disordered state of mind by implication. Anyone out there with a DSM (current) who can enlighten us?
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11-27-2007, 07:04 PM | #889 |
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Rian,
That would be homophobiaphilia, I think.
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then how is the person you're speaking to supposed to know what you choose to have them mean?
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I think that you an inked know exactly what I meant, you are just dodging the statement by arguing semantics.
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Are you trying to suggest that there is something more significant going on here (anywhere) than arguing semantics?
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Depends what you mean by semantics...
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Volataire was a relativist, wasn't he, BJ?
But an accurate one!
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Oh, my...
LONDON, September 10, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A British homosexual journalist admits that his documentary on the London gay scene is likely to "burn every bridge in the gay world I've got." http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/sep/08091011.html and the credentialing seems up to snuff "Simon Fanshawe is a writer and broadcaster who created the documentary "The Trouble With Gay Men" after becoming increasingly alarmed at the shallowness and destructiveness of the "gay lifestyle." The film, made for BBC 3 television" apparently tells an unwelcome truth about the whole fabric of gay in GB. --------------------------------------------------------------- And this from Reuters: “Last month, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that more than 56,000 people in the United States become newly infected with the human immunodeficiency virus each year, far more than previous estimates of about 40,000. Now the CDC has further analyzed those numbers to find the fatal and incurable virus largely infects men who have sex with men, or MSM—a group that includes gays, bisexuals and men who may have the occasional sexual encounter with other men.” On both sides of the pond from different cultures and all. Worth pondering.
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Homosexuality
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Homosexuality is a big issue in today's world. Some accept it, some don't. Each one of us has our own opinion on it. So, just to get the ball rolling on the topic: If it was revealed during the run up to the Presidentual elections that Barack Obama was actually gay, and had a partner, so you think he would have gained as many votes as he did, or don't you think it would have mattered that much to the voters?
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Well, if Barack had a partner of any sex on the side of his wife Michelle, that would have greatly upset the voters.
But of course it would have mattered whether a presidential candidate is gay. Considering the large number of conservative and religious Americans, having a gay partner would most likely have cost the candidate many votes.
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