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don't be dissapointed if i don't post here again i don't know a lot about this topic, my question may possibly be off-topic.
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12-05-2005, 11:45 AM | #863 |
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12-05-2005, 12:11 PM | #864 | |
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so, while the majority can pass any law they like, it can not contradict other current laws, or the constitution for interracial marriages to indeed be banned as a state-by-state choice, a constitutional ammendment would have had to be passed allowing for this practice specifically... many, though not all, interpret gay marriage rights in much the same way
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Thats why there are such things as constitutions - to protect people's rights, should the majority ever be silly or evil or confused enough to want to take them away
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12-05-2005, 12:23 PM | #866 | |||
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There's a difference between voting on legislation, where the majority of elected representatives must agree on it to make it law, and right and priviledges guaranteed in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (or the Bill of Rights*) Majorities should not determine the rights of minorities. *though I don't know what the Bill of Rights has to say about descrimination because of sexual orientation, how this is interpreted, or which courts interpret it (etc).
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12-05-2005, 12:33 PM | #867 |
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IMO it's a State's Rights thing.
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12-05-2005, 01:01 PM | #869 |
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Our Constitution specifically states "those powers not specifically given to the federal government are reserved for the States". That's one reason why the Supreme Court hasn't gotten involved. Each State needs to make a law for that. Only if one state does not recognize a gay "marriage" or "civil union" made by another state, would the court get involved.
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12-05-2005, 01:10 PM | #870 |
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meh you guys are probally right.we probally have the same rights because we can love men and women at the same time. gays and lesbians have different rights but we are all beginning to be fair to them. its just because gays and lesbians are " different" that we put it into our heads that we shouldn't allow them to have the same rights as us because we are the straight ones and they like the same sex. there is nothing wrong with that in my opinion and others a.k.a homophobics should get an eye opener on this subject
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That makes sense. Is what you're saying gay marriage is not a matter for the Supreme Court unless state laws aren't being respected?
Let's say a gay couple goes to another state, and one of them is in a car accident. Their spouse wants visitation rights. Would the Supreme (or state) court get involved if the couple was...
Canadians can go down to Las Vegas and get married, and their marriages are recognized here and in the USA. Americans getting married here deserve the same courtesy.
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In order to expose the problems in that statement, all I need to do is ask you this: given that statement, do you mean that minorities should determine the rights of majorities?
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Now what about this - if a Canadian goes to a Muslim country and marries a few wives, should the Canadian government give him the courtesy of recognizing all his wives if he goes back to Canada?
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I know that certain countries recognise marriages made in others. I myself fall into that category. However, I don't think that the multiple wife thing would work as no state permits it, even the Mormons have a problem now with that. If in another state and not recognised (and not a resident) that would be a Court matter. I can't see that happening under present conditions though
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Exactly one half of the country shouldn't determine the rights of the other exact half of the country either. Human rights aren't just something you decide. They exist in human dignity and it has taken us many years to discover them. (This is really hard to explain. ) It took quite a while, for example, to give women the vote - not because they didn't have the right, but because people were keeping that right from them as long as possible. People have the right to not experience discrimination, and not to have their priviledges denied because of descrimination. In Canada, that's why gay marriage was legalised. Quote:
What if Canada refused to acknowledge the marriage of any couple where at least one of them was Canadian? Then, an American couple (gay or straight) came to Canada and fell into a situation where they needed to be acknowledged as married, and the Canadian government refused? * IIRC only fundamentalist Mormons practice polygamy.
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Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual).
- Ayn Rand It is bad to be oppressed by a minority, but it is worse to be oppressed by a majority. - Lord Acton
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Great quotes Jonathan.
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is being gay an "unsupportable basis" for denying this fundamental freedom? maybe yes, maybe no being too closely related or being a minor is clearly a "supportable basis" the point... our system of government seeks to protect the rights of the minority, but ultimately, the majority will have it's will... but, in cases that are contrary to the constitution, it takes more than a simple majority, as it should
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