06-28-2008, 04:10 PM | #861 |
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Sorry, but this sounds a little OMG!!!1JESUSLOLBBQ!111!!!
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06-28-2008, 04:24 PM | #862 |
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I'll bring the Hot dogs!!!!! BBG!!! rock on!!!
anyways yeah. I did talk to my friends (also becoming a youth pastor) grandfather whose a pastor and he said that most youth of today are more into the bible then being a denomination, to tell you the truth why does their need to be denominations its a relationship with God not a popularity contest. Curufin I get what you many about that second church and sadly you are right. This is what I was talking about when i said american churches are becoming very corrupted...their sites are set on more money for them and more people then on what God wants...... but I know that, that is not what God is all about he even slams people like that in the gospels over and over calling them "snakes, white tombs..." and so on
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06-28-2008, 04:29 PM | #863 |
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Curufin, thank-you for sharing. I'd like to hear more.
So your belief system is based upon spiritual experiences, at least partly. That's the same for me. I agree with you that they are very convincing reasons to believe in a God. Is your belief system based on more than the spiritual experiences? Would you care to elaborate on why you feel God is all? Also, I'd be curious to hear what your moral values are and on what they are based, how you draw the line between morally good and bad things. I agree with you that sex shouldn't be seen as dirty. But then, you'd probably see rape or pedophelia as in some way dirty. Some sexual acts might be considered dirty, even while sex itself, practiced as it should be practiced, is not dirty. We probably just draw the line in different places as to what kinds of sexual behavior are harmful. I also see as very valid your criticisms of the focus some church members or leaders have on appearance and wealth, as opposed to the mission of the church to dedicating itself to being the love of God for the world. I wish I understood better your point about the Gnostic Gospels being written in Aramaic. The Christian Gospels also were written in Aramaic at a very early date, and they're all dated to within the first century AD, within the lifespans of the original eyewitnesses, so I don't really know how this can make much difference. Also, IMO the closest friends of Jesus and the successors they appointed to pass on Jesus' teachings (that they themselves had taught these successors, from their personal experience of knowing Jesus) are the most reliable testimony available about what Jesus believed. Not a Gnostic group- the disciples and their successors roundly condemned the teachings of the Gnostics.
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06-28-2008, 04:35 PM | #864 |
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Sex is good as God states it, but only when used in that way He intended. The reason Gods says no sex before marrige is because when two people come together in sex they become one (in God's eyes) and He wants that to only be with the one he choose for you and not some random person.
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06-28-2008, 04:35 PM | #865 |
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Rinke. People who crave ritual come in all flavors of spirituality, including various branches of the Wiccan 'tradition". Also, people who don't. It's not an innate characteristic of the practice.
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I was simply meaning to state that my Quakerism (which is adamantly anti-ritualistic) caused me to revolt a little against the ritualism in the brand of Wicca practiced by my friends. EDIT: I have to go - I'm at my grandma's and can't tie up the phone line anymore! But I'll be on late tonight to continue the conversation.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha!!! !!!!!!!
LOL!!! that's funny!!!
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06-29-2008, 03:06 PM | #869 |
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It really is...... With all I 've seen I couldn't deny even for a second theres a God....but also I can't deny that He is a loving God....ooo hey topic idea (curufin said this first tho)
she said that God may not be a guy or may not be a woman..my opinion God is nether male nor female but a spiritual being with is so much different.....the reason I say HE is due to Jesus being man (If someone says Jesus could have been a woman you better back that up big time if you say it B/C that is a huge step)
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I'll respond to your post sometime today, Curufin, probably. I'm just a bit distracted and what you wrote will take some thinking.
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Curu: So, as I understand it, you could essentially be described as a low-church Wiccan?
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Gwaimir, yes, I think that's about right. With some tenents of Quakerism thrown in.
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If you don't believe in Original Sin, and reject Universalism, then it would, theoretically, be possible for someone to choose not to sin? Completely? Anyone on that list, yet?
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