11-18-2007, 03:41 AM | #861 |
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Oh, Inked.
Please see the beauty on the people you share this world with, please try to think about being kind. Why would your God create people as gay if this was not part of his mysterious, complete Plan? Why would you, or anyone, want to perpetuate spiritual misery and self-loathing, and pain, and the withering and beating of human spirit, human life? If you believe in a God, well - God made Gays, too, just as he made all the other different types of human beings, and who are you to question his reasons, if God it is in whom you believe? Who are you to question God's creation? Do you ever read other peope's links in these threads, Inked? Hope so, 'cause here's one for yu to read, if not, then shame upon you for expecting eeryone else to read your links, yet not reciprocating. I dare you to read other people's links, even to comment upon what you've read, as you always expect others here to comment upon YOUR links in YOUR posts. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4865686
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11-18-2007, 02:35 PM | #862 |
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GrayMouser, here's the article I was referencing.
*Tries my link.* Shucks. You'd have to have my college ID . . . I could copy and paste the entire article, or just key parts of it, if you like. As I said earlier, though, it's very long. 18 pages. A very, very worthwhile 18 pages. Here's the publication information: Professional Psychology: Research and Practice June 2002, Vol. 33, No. 3, p 242-248 Grove City College Address for Correspondence: Warren Throckmorton, College Counseling, 100 Campus Drive, Grove City College, Grove City, Pennsylvania 16127 Email: ewthrockmorton@gcc.edu Received: September 18, 2000. Revised: January 8, 2002. Accepted: January 11, 2002. Warren Throckmorton was the article's author.
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11-18-2007, 07:04 PM | #863 |
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Warren Throckmorton. I have a lot of links that work for him.
Here's one. http://www.truthwinsout.org/news/two...80%99-victims/
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One of the only references to his credentials that your article provides is the unsupported allegation that he is "unlicensed." Which is actually a lie.
And it says: Quote:
Some of the credentials this paper's writer seems incapable of finding include . . . Quote:
EDIT: By the way, I'm being incredibly restrained in this gentle criticism of that paper. The above post of mine views the content of that paper in a most generous, mild, gracious, kindly and merciful light. The words about it that I'm not typing are difficult to restrain.
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11-18-2007, 11:54 PM | #865 |
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Well thanks for being most generous, mild, gracious, kindly and merciful, Lief .
But seriously, I do have to agree with him Siscuz. The article you provided isn't very well written in providing information to defame the other author. |
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But, no homosexuals in Iran??? What the hell is he thinking? As I recall, Iran had a homosexual tradition that was similar to (though slightly more underground than) that of ancient Greece, didn't it? Has that completely died out?
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11-19-2007, 03:39 PM | #868 |
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That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May |
11-19-2007, 03:41 PM | #869 |
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wtf?
I thought we put a 48 hour ban on Siscuz for this thread! >.< Oh, heads will roll. |
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That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May |
11-19-2007, 03:51 PM | #871 |
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Well, if you've seen his license, you're one up on me. A PhD is not a license to practice medicine, which is what the article refers to, I believe.
You guys may not realize it, but ordinary people are not impressed when a podunk religious college that can't even conform to federal law as regards women hires a batty associate professor. And we know that such hiring doesn't make him a scientific expert. That's because SOME people still understand the difference between "Science" and "Religion." I know that a lot of people would be really happy if Professor Throckmorton found a magic switch that would control sexual identity. But I don't see any reason to suppose he has, althopugh he's trying.
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11-19-2007, 03:53 PM | #872 |
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As a counselor, his resume is pretty sparce. According to the bio he has on Grove City's website, he was a graduate student in 1992. He won an award that year for "outstanding graduate student." http://www2.gcc.edu/dept/psyc/WarrenThrockmorton.htm
His membership is in a professional society. Anyone in the field, including students, can join. It's good practice for people to do so, but you need to understand, it's a lobbying group. Here's their website, they know this. http://www.amhca.org/ In 1996 he became president of that group, but that STILL doesn't speak to his qualifications as a therapist. He didn't run for therapist, do you see? And he's not listed in the search on their "Find a counselor" search engine.
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11-19-2007, 04:00 PM | #873 |
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Since he's "Director" of the counseling service, he may do some counseling there. But maybe he's an administrator.
As I said, I understand that what he wants is a popular idea. So is perpetual motion. They're equally likely, at this point. And when someone is selling a flim-flam, I keep my hand on my wallet.
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True, but can you refute Lief's claim that this guy has had his articles published in a number of scientific magazines? Non-religiously based ones, I might add.
I honestly don't know for certain, but doesn't the fact that he's been published a number of times lend his theories a certain amount of weight? I'm sorry, but I'd need to see a considerable amount more evidence before I just tossed this guy off as a quack . I don't know that I believe him... In fact I'm pretty sure I don't. But I wouldn't defame his name entirely. |
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As far as scientific journals, I find a journal article for the APA in 2002, which is a literature review. There are a lot of issues around the work he discusses (like, a confusion between gender-identity issues and homosexuality, and a question about whether making people not act on their sexual orientation is the same as changing it) that run contrary to accepted practice by APA standards. But the literature exists, and is publishable. I could consider that eating meat was a psychological disorder. I could put together reasons why it was negative. Eventually, I could build a wave of distaste for the practice, such that people were ashamed of the impulse to eat meat. I could criminalize it, in some places. And people would seek the help of therapists to rid themselves of their cravings. Then I could report that many people, although they still liked hamburgers, adhered to a vegetarian diet. I'm not sure that that's a great thing to do.
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(Did anyone else read "Throckmorton" as "Frogmorton"?)
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Which, in terms of answering the question "can gayness be cured?", is about the worst quality of research design, with the highest chance of bias, you could possibly have. Perhaps a single case report would be worse. That's about it. This habit of citing the "science" which supports one's opinion is an increasingly worrying one. You see it all the time in the media. Which might also explain why he's had all the newspaper columns. There is more money to be made being a rightwing media whore than a leftwing one. |
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11-21-2007, 10:45 PM | #878 |
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I don't know about that Gaffer. The left wing one got a Nobel Peace Prize for a crackpot idea, and not the Internet one. I suspect he gets plenty for his opinionating.
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Also, in your ad hominem attack on the man, you're ignoring virtually all of his credentials and are making slurs on his character based on pure supposition about one part of his credentials.
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I wonder if homophobia can be cured?
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