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Aw screw it. I don't know what I'm saying half the time. I think I make a valid point, and then my brain comes back and says "you're an idiot." Maybe I should be euthanized. There is so much death in the world anyway. Why should anyone care about one more death? No one can judge or play god on this. There is no court that can truly decide where life begins or what life is or when it ends. |
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In that case, the word "murder" is no different, ethically, from the word "killing." So why draw a distinction by saying that abortion is not murder? Quote:
The point of the medical profession is to help people who can't help themselves. If we're instead going to let people who can't help themselves die, then the whole profession is pointless. Quote:
I'll respond to the rest of your post a bit later.
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Relative doesn't mean valid. It means invalid. No one's beliefs really matter. Every law and every rule we follow is man-made in order to support an orderly government and way of life for a human society. For me, my right and wrong is not someone else's right and wrong, and I have no right to impose that upon them. Stalin disagrees with me, so as a result, I would have fought against him because I disagreed. But it's an endless cycle, really. People like you and me just continue it on. I think the difference between abortion and killing people is that a person, fully capable of thought and fully developed to the degree of memory and awareness of their world, knows she or he is being killed. Whereas, a fetus is not fully developed and has no such awareness. Do you have any memories from being a fetus? So, yes, there's a difference. No, you're missing the point. Relative doesn't mean "okay." Relative means it doesn't matter. We're all still going to fight over these things, I am just saying NO ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG. We're just throwing our opinions around. That's what it boils down to. “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” - William Shakespeare I don't believe in good and evil. I just believe in pain and the fact that we all feel it and that's simply a part of life.[/QUOTE]
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Many people I've met who believe in relativism don't believe this. And I've met agnostics who have different views about what that means. So thanks for clarifying this for me.
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So one can see that not only is this a human life, but it is a developed human life before the end of the first trimester. And if it is unclear when before that time, this child can be called a person, we should err on the side of caution and say never. Because the development of a human is a constant, fluid process. There is no abrupt drop-off point at which the child becomes a person- the whole development is a fluid process without huge lurches. So any line set that says, "you can kill the child before this point," is strictly arbitrary.
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01-29-2007, 11:58 PM | #867 | |
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01-30-2007, 04:03 AM | #868 | |
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We kill animals because they are not centiant and obviously below humans. Babies are much like animals, aside from not being able to take care of themeselves. Where does a child/fetus change from an animal into a human? |
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01-30-2007, 12:34 PM | #869 |
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Why are all these things that have nothing to do with abortion being brought into the thread by you in reply to my statements, Lief Erikson?
Seriously, I think you need to get more on topic than that. As for abortion, I will never listen to any person who tells me I have no right over what my body is used for. I don't care what's in my body. I'm not a incubator if I don't want to be. This is why men and women will never really be equals. Women are seen as nothing more than vessels for bearing more human life and should have no say over what their body is capable of. I'm leaving the thread now and not coming back again. I've said my piece, and really, that's all there is to it. Last edited by Rána Eressëa : 01-30-2007 at 01:06 PM. |
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Just a political statement: I am decidedly NONPARTISAN. I think most races should be NONPARTISAN. I mean, they can be supported by whoever they want, but we don't need "partisan primaries" if we could do simple run off primaries.
ANYWAY, back to ABORTION... I learned an interesting fact today. Most abortions are terminated by the body before the female even knows about it. They aren't miscarages because there is no damage done. It is when a week old embryo has somthing wrong with it, so it is absorbed back into the body. The ratio of this happening is about five times to every one pregnancy. |
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I'm guessing you mean five times to every completed pregnancy?
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But both trees and unborn children are both inarticulate -
how would the undecided ever judge if this was the case? |
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I will, if you will ....
(oh ok ..we should agree that we both won't! ) 'never mind' that is.... |
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And btw BB, you're not going to clean out that pig sty PM box of yours?
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I can't believe this comment of mine gets ignored everytime I get a chance to post it...
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well, you posted it - (the cartoon) if it ain't worth nothin' - that's your call ... as for my reply - who said anything about wrong? my point was, if the terminally undecided obviously need to be TOLD what to think - how, then, would they decide between two inarticulates? i.e. a tree and an unborn child / foetus? (if you need to) Think about it! Quote:
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I still don't get it
So what if trees and babies are unthinking? PS: I'm workin' on it.
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