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The Turks are afriad that the Kurds will break off from the rest of Iraq and set up their own country and that then there will be uprisings in Turkey. When Britain divided up the region into the countries of the Middle East as we know it today - they didn't break up between the way the "tribes" were - but gave land based on who supported them. Now you have different "ethnic groups" who never got along, were promised conflicting things by England, and they might rise up to right the wrongs of the past. Turkey isn't the only one concerned about the Kurds. Kurdish territory also extends into Syria and Iran too. Those countries are also concerned about Kurdish uprisings and Kurdish state or country. It's very important that the US makes sure that the Kurds work within the framework of Iraq and do NOT try to establish an independent country or state.
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Computers aren't perfect - so I don't know how people can expect a computer guided missile to work perfectly every time. Or have everything work perfectly in the heat of battle. It just doesn't and it never will. It has nothing to do with how you train your troops. The US has tried very hard to prevent civilian casualties as well as trying not to "attack" our own troops.
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As for Iraq - people should really look at how hated Hussein is by his people. The atrocities they must have gone through must be far worse than we can imagine. The people are actually burning and destroying money because it has his picture on it. For people who have nothing to be looting banks and then burning and destroying money - shows you how hated that man is by his own people.
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Quick question, JD: How many troops does the US have, and how many did they send?
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Just ask Saddam, I'm sure HE knows . . .
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One of the reasons for the overall looting is a human reaction to being oppressed for years, and suddenly released.
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Here is the breakdown of the US military strength from Navy PostGraduate School - Military Strengths of U.S., Allied, and Selected Other Armed Forces . Active Troops - 1,547,000 Reserve Troops - 2,045,000 Heavy Tanks - 10,900 Armored Infantry Vehicles - 32,545 Airplanes - 11,189 Helicopters - 7,925 Major Warships - 239 Amphipious Mine and Support Ships - 164 Military Budget (Billions) - $265 This is 1996 data. I'll try to see if I can get more up to date figures. For latest information you can look at... Department of Defense Almanac Annual Report to the President and the Congress Department of Defense: DefenseLINK And as SGH said - they've been repressed for years and in most countries that have gone through a drastic change like this - there has been looting and similar activity. We currently have more troops heading into Baghdad to control the situation. No one thought Baghdad was going to fall so quickly based on what had happened the night before it had fallen. It takes time to set up and put into place the things that are required. Britain has been in Umm Qasr for 3 weeks now and there are still problems there. It's not going to be fixed over night. Now that the regime has fallen - the hard part begins.
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I'm not a skilled mathematician, but if the UK sent 40,000 of 100,000, and we sent c. 300,000 of 1,450,000, then the UK gave more of what they had. Of course, the 300,000 will still do more good, but I definitely think they deserve appreciation and acknowledgement for this case of Widow's Mite. ![]()
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