Writing using Tengwar characters - Page 43

***Earniel*** · 06-10-2004, 03:01 PM

Indeed, I think he would be quite astounded if he knew, not the mention about the people who actually make the effort to learn Quenya and Sindarin themselves!

***RÃan*** · 01-31-2005, 07:45 PM

*bump*

I thought I'd bump this thread for some of the new users - it's really fun to write in Tengwar, but in your native tongue. You don't have to learn Elvish that way, but you can write in "Elvish" characters and enjoy it

ItalianLegolas · 01-31-2005, 07:49 PM

its hard i could barely write my name, let alone a sentence, what wit hthe stems and the dots and the other-things

***RÃan*** · 01-31-2005, 08:04 PM

Well, you just have to practice it. I would just always have some paper and a pen with me, and would practice when I was waiting anywhere (grocery store, bank, etc.) I got to where I could write in Tengwar as fast as I could print nicely in English. Reading was always a bit harder for me, but it's the actual writing that I enjoy. It's also great to write notes to yourself that you don't want anyone to read!

ItalianLegolas · 01-31-2005, 08:05 PM

well, now I am determined to learn it. after I learn Quenya, or perhaps before, or at the same time. SO CONFUSED!

TinuvielChild · 02-01-2005, 12:24 AM

I have this habit of writing notes to myself in Tengwar when I'm bored in class - usually stuff I don't want other people to read.

Like RÃ*an, I've gotten to where I can write it as fluently as English, though reading it is somewhat harder. Maybe one of these days I'll post some scribblings again...

ElemmÃrÃ« · 02-01-2005, 12:37 AM

I do that too... and much too much. And when I write something in Quenya, I put it in Tengwar and pray I'm right...

I can't imagine being fluent in reading it.

I have enough trouble reading hiragana!

cassiopeia · 02-01-2005, 09:24 AM

Hey, I just realised that since I have a scanner now, I could post some Tengwar! Now, where is my cheat sheet...

ElemmÃrÃ« · 02-01-2005, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cassiopeia

Hey, I just realised that since I have a scanner now, I could post some Tengwar! Now, where is my cheat sheet...

How do you do that?

I've got a Tengwar font on my computer, but I can't figure out how to post it here...

cassiopeia · 02-01-2005, 10:12 PM

When you're replying to a thread, there's a "Manage Attachments" button. Click on that and it should attach your file. *fingers crossed*

***RÃan*** · 02-02-2005, 06:55 PM

The attachment has to be really small tho

- like only 10k or something ridiculous.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 02-02-2005, 11:18 PM

i might try and learn tengwar someday

at the moment i am trying to learn quenya and sindarin phonetically, tho, as well as college!!

***RÃan*** · 02-03-2005, 04:51 PM

It's a lot quicker learning Tengwar than learning Quenya and Sindarin, IMO, and you can just enjoy writing in it.

We had some nice attachments in this thread - I should put some links to some of the attachments in the first post here ...

ElemmÃrÃ« · 02-03-2005, 06:15 PM

Trying to write Quenya in tengwar can get... interesting, IMO.

I'm not exactly fluent in either, just really, really bored in class.

***RÃan*** · 02-03-2005, 06:30 PM

That's why I write English in Tengwar. Great for boring classes! Check out the first post now - I added two links to some samples.

ElemmÃrÃ« · 02-04-2005, 06:36 PM

That's nice, RÃ*an!

My only problem with trying to write in English is that I don't know what to make the different symbols mean! Or where the vowels go! I mean... I follow the Quenya structure, which doesn't have a "d" without another consonant (n, r, l usually) in front of it, and where the vowel is put over the preceding consonant... except everything is different if you then switch over to Sindarin...

I couldn't begin to guess how to write in English!

***RÃan*** · 02-07-2005, 06:38 PM

This thread is on ENGLISH-mode Tengwar

See the first post for links and examples. The characters have different sounds assigned to them in different languages, and JRRT made a mode for English. If you have letters of JRRT, check out letter 117. Also, check out Appendix E in ROTK. There is a paragraph about English mode Tengwar (how there really isn't one in existence in the LOTR world), and how the title page examples are how a man of Gondor would have done it. Very interesting - and again, one doesn't need to know Sindarin or Quenya, and it's loads of fun!

The vowel format is like Sinardin, IIRC - the vowel mark goes over the following consonant, so you end up reading left to right, top to bottom if there's vowel marks or other modifiers. Again, check out the examples on the title page and on the link in the first post of this thread

And try translating the title page Tengwar writing on your LOTR books! See what you get!

ElemmÃrÃ« · 02-08-2005, 08:15 PM

*stares at translation in shock*

The Westmarch by John Ronald Reuel Tolkien: herein is set forth the history of the War of the Ring and the Return of the King as seen by the Hobbits.

Well, that explains why I was never able to figure that one out before... I had assumed it was in Elvish also... preferably Quenya since I can't really handle Sindarin.

Well...

Thanks, RÃ*an.

But it's going to be hard to get out of the structure where you write the vowel above the following vowel instead of the preceding one... I've been using Quenya too much to just change over.

Well... at least I can improve my Quenya at the same time.

***RÃan*** · 02-09-2005, 01:09 AM

You're welcome! I think there's some in UT, too, and the HoME books. But Christopher Tolkien wrote a little differently than his dad. One of the links provides all the Tolkien-written Tengwar samples (JRRT and CT) and their translation - fun!

I don't know ... I don't think it's too hard to switch over - there's some samples that are written in the Quenya vowel style, and I just got into a different rhythm with them and did fine.

Anyway, I just like the English-mode so much because I can write ANYTHING I want to in it!

ElemmÃrÃ« · 02-09-2005, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

Anyway, I just like the English-mode so much because I can write ANYTHING I want to in it!

I can write anything I want in Quenya... ahem...

Maybe not...

But with a dictionary and enough time...

On an off note, it's amazing how much Tengwar has helped me learn Japanese characters...

Speaking of the HoME, you know, I just got PoME in the mail, but it was missing 30 pages! Part of which was the Shibboleth!

06-10-2004, 03:01 PM	#841
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Indeed, I think he would be quite astounded if he knew, not the mention about the people who actually make the effort to learn Quenya and Sindarin themselves! __________________ We are not things.

01-31-2005, 07:45 PM	#842
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	bump I thought I'd bump this thread for some of the new users - it's really fun to write in Tengwar, but in your native tongue. You don't have to learn Elvish that way, but you can write in "Elvish" characters and enjoy it __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

01-31-2005, 07:49 PM	#843
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	its hard i could barely write my name, let alone a sentence, what wit hthe stems and the dots and the other-things __________________ What was lost is now found.

01-31-2005, 08:04 PM	#844
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Well, you just have to practice it. I would just always have some paper and a pen with me, and would practice when I was waiting anywhere (grocery store, bank, etc.) I got to where I could write in Tengwar as fast as I could print nicely in English. Reading was always a bit harder for me, but it's the actual writing that I enjoy. It's also great to write notes to yourself that you don't want anyone to read! __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

01-31-2005, 08:05 PM	#845
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	well, now I am determined to learn it. after I learn Quenya, or perhaps before, or at the same time. SO CONFUSED! __________________ What was lost is now found.

02-01-2005, 12:24 AM	#846
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	I have this habit of writing notes to myself in Tengwar when I'm bored in class - usually stuff I don't want other people to read. Like RÃan, I've gotten to where I can write it as fluently as English, though reading it is somewhat harder. Maybe one of these days I'll post some scribblings again... __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!*

02-01-2005, 12:37 AM	#847
ElemmÃrÃ« avocatus diaboli Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Himring Posts: 1,582	I do that too... and much too much. And when I write something in Quenya, I put it in Tengwar and pray I'm right... I can't imagine being fluent in reading it. I have enough trouble reading hiragana! __________________ ~ I have heard the languages of apocalypse and now I shall embrace the silence ~ Neil Gaiman

02-01-2005, 09:24 AM	#848
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	Hey, I just realised that since I have a scanner now, I could post some Tengwar! Now, where is my cheat sheet... __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

02-01-2005, 10:12 PM	#850
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	When you're replying to a thread, there's a "Manage Attachments" button. Click on that and it should attach your file. fingers crossed __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

02-02-2005, 06:55 PM	#851
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	The attachment has to be really small tho - like only 10k or something ridiculous. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

02-02-2005, 11:18 PM	#852
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	i might try and learn tengwar someday at the moment i am trying to learn quenya and sindarin phonetically, tho, as well as college!!

02-03-2005, 04:51 PM	#853
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	It's a lot quicker learning Tengwar than learning Quenya and Sindarin, IMO, and you can just enjoy writing in it. We had some nice attachments in this thread - I should put some links to some of the attachments in the first post here ... __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

02-03-2005, 06:15 PM	#854
ElemmÃrÃ« avocatus diaboli Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Himring Posts: 1,582	Trying to write Quenya in tengwar can get... interesting, IMO. I'm not exactly fluent in either, just really, really bored in class. __________________ ~ I have heard the languages of apocalypse and now I shall embrace the silence ~ Neil Gaiman

02-03-2005, 06:30 PM	#855
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	That's why I write English in Tengwar. Great for boring classes! Check out the first post now - I added two links to some samples. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

02-04-2005, 06:36 PM	#856
ElemmÃrÃ« avocatus diaboli Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Himring Posts: 1,582	That's nice, RÃan! My only problem with trying to write in English is that I don't know what to make the different symbols mean! Or where the vowels go! I mean... I follow the Quenya structure, which doesn't have a "d" without another consonant (n, r, l usually) in front of it, and where the vowel is put over the preceding consonant... except everything is different if you then switch over to Sindarin... I couldn't begin to guess how to write in English! __________________ ~ I have heard the languages of apocalypse and now I shall embrace the silence ~* Neil Gaiman

02-07-2005, 06:38 PM	#857
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	This thread is on ENGLISH-mode Tengwar See the first post for links and examples. The characters have different sounds assigned to them in different languages, and JRRT made a mode for English. If you have letters of JRRT, check out letter 117. Also, check out Appendix E in ROTK. There is a paragraph about English mode Tengwar (how there really isn't one in existence in the LOTR world), and how the title page examples are how a man of Gondor would have done it. Very interesting - and again, one doesn't need to know Sindarin or Quenya, and it's loads of fun! The vowel format is like Sinardin, IIRC - the vowel mark goes over the following consonant, so you end up reading left to right, top to bottom if there's vowel marks or other modifiers. Again, check out the examples on the title page and on the link in the first post of this thread And try translating the title page Tengwar writing on your LOTR books! See what you get! __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 02-07-2005 at 06:40 PM.

02-09-2005, 01:09 AM	#859
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	You're welcome! I think there's some in UT, too, and the HoME books. But Christopher Tolkien wrote a little differently than his dad. One of the links provides all the Tolkien-written Tengwar samples (JRRT and CT) and their translation - fun! I don't know ... I don't think it's too hard to switch over - there's some samples that are written in the Quenya vowel style, and I just got into a different rhythm with them and did fine. Anyway, I just like the English-mode so much because I can write ANYTHING I want to in it! __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 02-09-2005 at 01:11 AM.

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