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When you said you thought that going to service was boring, is that because you may not UNDERSTAND what people are trying to say to you? As for many other things you wrote, Go ahead and believe what you want, no one is stoping you! Stop in your tracks and look behing, there is no one chasing you, so why do you feel the need to run away from something that is NOT THERE?
And another thing, in your post it sounded 'strange' that you could believe that we are all bateries created by machines. I did not like you post one bit, keep your dirty thoughts to yourself and do NOT try to change someones religion like you just did! That is unjust! Let everyone believe what they want! You have no right to change them, and you most CERTAINLY don't have the power! I don't know about the rest of you, but I am invincable to people like you who think they can make someones life beter, not relizing that they just made things worse. So if you have something to say about your religion, FINE! But don't try something like that again!
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Silme*Christian, how is the matrix not more plausible than god? Maybe the idea of god was programmed into us by the machines But, btw I was only half serious when I said I'd rather believe in the matrix.
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05-23-2003, 03:42 PM | #847 |
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Oh yes? What was that quote? Something like, "No one comes to the Father except through ME." ?
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hmm well its a good thing that you weren't around during the middle ages or crusades or during the scientific revolution, age of enlightenment, or other dark times in the church's history.
Anyway, I wouldn't exactly say that I am an althiest exactly - just a very unreligious jew . Still basically consider myself jewish, despite my altheist notions. I still go to bar/bat mitzvahs of relatives, go to high holy days, have a cedar, light a menorah on hanukah. I just don't believe in all the god stuff. Plus, I do think it is very possible that i am a descendant of the ancient hebrews.
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bar is for a boy and bat is for a girl
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As I said, I've just begun to read the new testament. A passage which disturbed my said that whoever looks upon a women to lust for her has committed adultery. Then it basically goes on to say that you should pluck out your eyes if they cause you to sin, lest you be cast into hell. Now, can anybody honestly say that they have never, ever felt lust towards somebody, and if they did, did they pluck there eyes out? No, I didn't think so. Am I missing something here, or are we all going to hell?
I wouldn't die for Christ. I'm sure he was a good person, but I don't know him. I may die for my parents or sisters or friends, but not somebody I don't know. I am trying my best to understand this, though it's difficult because I haven't been brought up in a religious family. Perhaps others (I'm not picking on anybody here, BTW) should make an effort to understand evolution (and yes I know many creationists do understand it). Then we can choose for ourselves which sounds more logical and most likely. HOBBIT, I applaud your post.
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I think the opposite. I think that it's so much simpler that there was an intelligent Designer (even in a Deistic way) then that this just so HAPPENED to take place, and then THIS just so happened to take place, and then THIS just so happened to take place, and on, and on, and on. Quote:
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There has been plenty of "proof", but Christianity is more about faith; by grace are we saved through FAITH, works are the evidence and fruit of FAITH, and so on. Also, any proof is consistently rejected as hallucination, freak coincidence, or just flat out lies and propaganda. Oh yeah, and superstitious idiots. There are many people whom I doubt would believe if God the Father appeared in the Flesh and spoke to them, choruses of angels singing. The fact is, that there is flat out no point in mentioning proof or evidence.
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But really, this is a VERY complex issue, and one I don't feel I can get into.
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Bwahahahaha, now everyone try to wade through all THAT!
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I would read all that, but at the present moment I am too tired/ill (cold). Thanks for replying to my message though. I did read some of it.
Since I'm a reform Jew, services are only like an hour maybe an hour and a half at most. I guess not very long, but they seemed to be very long - and boring (imo). I've had to sit through some Conservative services for bar mitzvahs and the like, 3-4 hour services.....aaah. Thankfully I have never been to an orthodox service (even longer). I didn't mean to be offensive in my post, really. About that feeling thing though. All I meant though is that when you ask why someone believes they just say basically its this feeling inside and a feeling of wholeness, etc. A happy feeling that they get from being with christ, etc. I was just saying that if this is the only reason, it doesn't hold water with me. I'm not saying that you shouldn't believe in it though....
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