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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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I respect your beliefs, however I do not quite understand your logic, what evidence is there for evolution? if you have any please present it here
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i'm not "a believer" and never have been, and i didn't turn out all that bad and even if god came down to my house tomorrow to prove that he really did exist, it really wouldn't change my day to day
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i'm not "a believer" and never have been, and i didn't turn out all that bad and even if god came down to my house tomorrow to prove that he really did exist, it really wouldn't change my day to day
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There are hallmarks of design that all the scientists that I listed above look for, and origins scientists should be allowed to do the same thing. The SETI and Mars lander scientists would be the closest thing to what the origins scientists should look for - they look for specified complexity and irreducible complexity, and no one would think them out of place to do so. The same should be true of origins scientists. This whole idea of "we can only look for naturalistic causes in science" is a new concept. For hundreds of years, that was not the case, and there's no reason for it to be the case now. Science just meant (and should still mean) "knowledge". Many scientists were Christians, and that certainly didn't stop them from making many brilliant discoveries. Why this fear-mongering tactic among some evolutionists, where they say that if a scientist thinks that God created the earth, he'll then just hang up his cloak and go home? Certainly, that didn't happen in the past, and doesn't happen now, either. Quote:
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We'll NEVER know, on this earth, if we came about via naturalistic means or supernatural means, but just like the anthropologists, archaeologists, planetary scientists, and SETI scientists, we can sure examine the evidence and make conclusions on the reasonableness of the two alternatives.
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Look at the historical evidence, brownie! Darwin said that the study of fossils was in its infancy, and that if the record in the coming years didn't support his idea of slow, gradual changes, that that would invalidate his theory. Well, the record did NOT support his idea of slow, gradual changes, but did the evolution community drop their belief that macro evolution occurred? No, they did NOT! They merely said that gee, there must be another way that macro evolution occurred, and came up with the idea of Punctuated Equilibrium. That's critical, brownie - they did NOT drop their BELIEF (unproven and unproveable, by its very historical nature, just like creationism) that macro-evolution occurred. Also, Darwin wrote that the raw material for changes was brought about by use/disuse changing characteristics that were then passed on to the offspring. His example was that giraffes who stretched for leaves made their necks longer, and lived better, and reproduced better, and - this is critical - passed on their newly acquired characteristics to their offspring. We now know, through knowledge gained thru scientific studies, that this is TOTALLY WRONG! yet the BELIEF that macroevolution takes place was NOT DROPPED, even though one of the two critical components was proven totally FALSE! If this isn't a belief system, I don't know what is.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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In fact the only belief system being challenged here is evolution I certainly hope that the evidence changes something for you; I'm afraid the evolutionist must have a lot more faith in a "belief system" than any christian I know
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In fact the only belief system being challenged here is evolution I certainly hope that the evidence changes something for you; I'm afraid the evolutionist must have a lot more faith in a "belief system" than any christian I know
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Another thing is the current debate over the fetal anasthesia bill - many scientists and doctors believe that fetuses can feel pain quite early on in their development, and that it is only ethical that if their mom chooses to abort them, that they should get some pain relief before their limbs are sawed off, etc. A report came out recently saying that they couldn't feel pain before the 29th week - however, was it only coincidence that the two leading authors had major ties with NARAL and other major pro-abortion groups? The report seemed seriously flawed in several areas, the main one being that apparently their judgement of if the fetus felt pain or not was if it verbalized it (I need to do more research on this, tho), which is totally silly to expect from a fetus. The thing is, our neonatal care is so advanced now that we have really, really young preemies, much earlier than 29 weeks, in our hospitals, and no one doubts that they can experience pain, even tho they don't say "ouch!" Things like this are what I mean by how scientific information greatly influences society. Quote:
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Another thing is the current debate over the fetal anasthesia bill - many scientists and doctors believe that fetuses can feel pain quite early on in their development, and that it is only ethical that if their mom chooses to abort them, that they should get some pain relief before their limbs are sawed off, etc. A report came out recently saying that they couldn't feel pain before the 29th week - however, was it only coincidence that the two leading authors had major ties with NARAL and other major pro-abortion groups? The report seemed seriously flawed in several areas, the main one being that apparently their judgement of if the fetus felt pain or not was if it verbalized it (I need to do more research on this, tho), which is totally silly to expect from a fetus. The thing is, our neonatal care is so advanced now that we have really, really young preemies, much earlier than 29 weeks, in our hospitals, and no one doubts that they can experience pain, even tho they don't say "ouch!" Things like this are what I mean by how scientific information greatly influences society. Quote:
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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(have fun without me the next few days, guys! I'll be in Arizona, celebrating my parents-in-law's 50th wedding anniversary )
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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And then both are tested against the geological evidence - that's where the science part comes in. And if evolutionists are honest, they'll admit that at least some of the evidence supports YEC more than billions-year-old earth. And as an honest creationist, I think that some of the available evidence supports evolution more than creationism. Sadly, however, I think few people are as honest as I am when considering the evidence.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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ok Rian, where in Az., it's my former home.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Sure have. We have relatives in Scottsdale and miss Sedona something awful.
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