03-16-2004, 07:49 PM | #841 | ||
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Soy cheese? Well, I like tofu...
Maybe we're not ideologically similar after all. Though, you probably can't eat pizza at all since there's eggs and butter in the dough etc. etc. Why don't we collective order a tofu and rice noodle stir-fry? All this to prove Beor's point. Aaaand getting back on topic now. (If you still want something to eat, come to the cafe! )
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03-16-2004, 07:57 PM | #842 |
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Just out of interest, what religions do
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03-16-2004, 08:24 PM | #843 | |
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And I believe my religion is right, and naturally, it would follow that other religions are wrong (in a nice way ) . One of things I try to do is point out to others why I think my religion is right. What religions (or which mooters) believe that they aren't the only right people out there? And how is that idea/belief formed or what is it based upon? LCoU: I am a member of the ELCA. See above for what that stands for
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BTW, I think your statement is inaccurate. I think the only parts of religion you "allow" to be practised are those that either don't affect you personally (like me going to my church) or those things that are, in YOUR opinion, harmful to people/society and concern actual legal statues (like murder or stealing). Anything that falls outside of that, you put up a stink about And just like you, I don't force YOU to go to church and I put up a stink about things that are, in MY opinion, harmful to people/society and concern actual legal statues, like homosexual marriage. Anything that falls outside of that, I put up a stink about
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Anyone else? *Wonders if he's the only witch in this thread*
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03-17-2004, 01:48 AM | #847 | |
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I'm one of the slowest responders myself, which is why I've tried to limit my postings lately- it's not fair to other people to have someone oppose your position, then not reply to your comeback
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03-17-2004, 02:08 AM | #848 |
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No kidding! You STILL haven't read my PM from January! (hint - try the PM notification option - or do you just not like me anymore?! )
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03-17-2004, 02:41 AM | #849 |
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Wow, so many good posts here since I last posted! I'm excited to get responding .
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Starting with GrayMouser's.
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It's pretty clear from the description of Jesus' life that he was humble, yet you have to imagine him full of incredible arrogance, to make the claim that he has never sinned. Other inconsistencies than these two I expect would appear, if you say he thought he was God, but he was neither raving nor evil. Quote:
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That same question doesn't exist for other humans that claimed to be deities. First of all, they gave no evidence to back up their claims, unlike Jesus. Second, they certainly weren't the type to be willing to die for the belief that they were a type of being that clearly they were not. The attributes of Yaweh are very, very supernatural. |
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If you were walking with a group of people, and you all arrived at a fork in the road, suppose you were the only person who really knew which way was the correct way to your destination? Everyone else might disagree with you, ignore your words. "No, we think it's this way." "But I know it's this way!" you might say. "I've gone that way many times!" "No, surely it's this way," they say, and they continue off that way. That's often how it feels when people write off absolute truth, and the finding of it, as impossible. Simply because it is outside their own experience, they make judgments upon what other people's experience is. Rather than it being the Christian, or the Muslim, who is being presumptuous, it seems more presumptuous to say "you're wrong", making assumptions about the other person's experience. Quote:
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I really do not understand that argument. With God it is the same as my example with the earth going around the sun. Maybe not everyone perceives it, but it is there. If it depended upon everyone perceiving it for it to exist, it could not exist. In other words, we are all controlled completely by our own perceptions, and there is nothing outside of our own perceptions. Our perceptions control everything. Right and wrong do not exist, as a matter of a fact, nothing exists unless I know it exists. Which is frankly ridiculous. Quote:
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These kinds of links do exist, and there are reasons for them. I also strongly respect your desire to see the truth in all religions. I tend to agree with the teachings in many religions aside from Christianity, though not in their entire beliefs. There are aspects of Islam that I greatly admire, such as the emphasis upon justice that we Christians so often forget, to our cost. Other religions have other things they emphasize. So I do certainly see there as being one truth, and I tend to agree with you that fragments of that truth can be caught in many religions (maybe all, but that seems still to me a bit of a leap). Often it is these glimmerings of the truth that cause the huge appeal to the religions to exist. Quote:
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Now to answer the posts of Insidious Rex .
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One point I disagree with you in is when you say spirituality is impossible to achieve. The fact is, mankind is an incomplete product. We are not yet fulfilled, not as we should be. We all need God, and need him to be a part of our lives. Where you look upon this as hopeless, because of your belief in god's being unconcerned and utterly otherly, others see that God is actually out there, ready to give people this fulfillment that they so desperately seek. As a matter of a fact, I believe he made that need within them, so that they would come to him. Quote:
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His being sinless was a strong back-up. His disciples were with him for huge amounts of time, almost every part of his life, yet they became convinced that he was sinless. He asked "Which of you can convict me of sin?" and none could answer. Who else living on earth could that be said for? I think his miracles continuing to exist today, and his sinless nature and person still being contacted by believers worldwide also helps to back up who he is . |
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03-17-2004, 05:31 AM | #855 |
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Now, about three hours after I started writing and at 1:30 AM in the morning, I am done responding to all of your extremely excellent posts. It's been quite a while since I got into some serious Entmoot debating, and the memory of how much I always loved it is flooding back . I greatly enjoyed such intelligent discussion here. Thanks!
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I don't eat ham, I think it's disguasting (probably my education). btw Lief - your name on entmoot is the name of the Viking man that discovered Americam right? |
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I can't remember what his real name is though, he is the leader of his coven, don't remember what you call that though |
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03-17-2004, 09:43 AM | #859 | |
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or at least what Nirvana meant for him he must have been a good and ethical person, for so much good did he say, however, as we do not have a god as such, we do not believe him to be a son of god |
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03-17-2004, 10:19 AM | #860 | |
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It's just a shame that we can't agree. But it's funny because it just illustrates the differences that we face in this crazy, mixed-up, out of tune world we live in. People are always going to sweat the small stuff, which draws attention away from the really big things that keep people divided. Human nature is not changing any time soon, no matter which religions we choose to follow. We must take the best parts of our systems of belief and make them work for us. We must not force our beliefs on others or denigrate those who don't hold the beliefs we have. (Isn't this type of philosophy what is causing many of the problems in the world today?)
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