Abortion. - Page 42

Gwaimir Windgem · 12-04-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

You should hear Neal Boortz...

Elaboratus tu?

Just so you know, elaboratus is a perfect passive participle, meaning roughly "that which has been worked on".

hectorberlioz · 12-04-2006, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

Just so you know, elaboratus is a perfect passive participle, meaning roughly "that which has been worked on".

"That which has been worked on...tu[you]"!!!

Not good.

I'm implying that Katt may have had surgery!

klatukatt · 12-05-2006, 07:08 PM

Oooh, snap! Wait, that was at me. Darn.

Surgery is not a bad way to go. Get your tubes tied, vasectomy, no babies!

I heard of a doctor that got sued because he tube tied a bunch of girls when they came in for their third abortion in so many months.
Non-consentual surgery is bad.

Before we get back onto abortion, the worst part about surgery is the needle with the novicane. Hurts like a B*tch!

Anyway, abortions are not that good for you, but neither are babies. I have chosen the chemical solution to all of this. What do you guys think of that?

hectorberlioz · 12-06-2006, 02:09 PM

Chemicals are pretty bad for you too, especially the stuff like Norplant, as I have read. I suppose vasectomy is the way to go if you don't want children, but even that isnt 100% guaranteed, as the knot can loosen over time....

Insidious Rex · 12-06-2006, 02:32 PM

Well then better just fill in that crack with cement and seal that puppy up for good then. Because abstinence isnt 100% effective either in a human population, as the will can loosen over time... or over a glass of wine...

hectorberlioz · 12-06-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Well then better just fill in that crack with cement and seal that puppy up for good then. Because abstinence isnt 100% effective either in a human population, as the will can loosen over time... or over a glass of wine...

That's why education is so important

I wasn't saying much except facts about contraceptives, Rex, and that they sometimes have drastic side-effects.

klatukatt · 12-07-2006, 04:27 AM

It's true. If I have a cigarette while on this stuff, there is somthing like a 90% chance that I will get have an anurism and die.

Of course, the nicotine distilled out of a single cigarette is enough to give a heart attack to anyone.

Gwaimir Windgem · 12-07-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Well then better just fill in that crack with cement and seal that puppy up for good then. Because abstinence isnt 100% effective either in a human population, as the will can loosen over time... or over a glass of wine...

Actually, abstinence is practically 100% effective. It's just that people don't practice it.

Insidious Rex · 12-07-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

...in a human population

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klatukatt · 12-07-2006, 04:52 PM

I practice abstiance.
Whenever I can't get any, I abstain.

***RÃan*** · 12-09-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by klatukatt

Anyway, abortions are not that good for you, but neither are babies. I have chosen the chemical solution to all of this. What do you guys think of that?

I think the best way by far is to save sex for marriage, but you need to go with what you think is best for you, according to your beliefs.

For those who think abortion is fine, are you OK, then, with sex-selection abortion? (i.e., if you want one sex and you're carrying the other, you abort) I would assume that if you think a woman has the right to choose abortion, then sex-selection abortion would be fine with you.

***Jonathan*** · 12-09-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RÃ*an

I would assume that if you think a woman has the right to choose abortion, then sex-selection abortion would be fine with you.

That is an assumption you shouldn't make. Nedless to say, pro-choicers can have very different opinions regarding when abortion should be legitimate.

My personal view on this - abortion should primarily be the woman's right to choose. Dissatisfaction with the foetus's sex may be a rather bad reason to have an abortion, but ultimately it's the woman's choice that matters most. Late abortions generally require special conditions to be performed. However, prohibitting women to have early abortions because they have the "wrong" reasons is not the way to go. The woman's choice should be respected (at least legally) no matter how stupid her reasons are.

So am I OK with sex-selection? No.
Does that affect my stance on abortion? No, it doesn't.

klatukatt · 12-09-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RÃ*an

I think the best way by far is to save sex for marriage, but you need to go with what you think is best for you, according to your beliefs.

For those who think abortion is fine, are you OK, then, with sex-selection abortion? (i.e., if you want one sex and you're carrying the other, you abort) I would assume that if you think a woman has the right to choose abortion, then sex-selection abortion would be fine with you.

I would LOVE to get married right now. However, it is not financially feasable right now.

And it is a woman's right to choose, but give me a break. If you are going through all this work in the first place, are you really going to be upset if your baby isn't the correct gender?

If you want a certian gender that much (and are prepared enough to take care of a child) why don't you just adopt?

Lotesse · 12-09-2006, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan

That is an assumption you shouldn't make. Nedless to say, pro-choicers can have very different opinions regarding when abortion should be legitimate.

My personal view on this - abortion should primarily be the woman's right to choose. Dissatisfaction with the foetus's sex may be a rather bad reason to have an abortion, but ultimately it's the woman's choice that matters most. Late abortions generally require special conditions to be performed. However, prohibitting women to have early abortions because the have the "wrong" reasons is not the way to go. The woman's choice should be respected (at least legally) no matter how stupid her reasons are.

W00T!! Excellent answer; couldn't agree more, Jonathan.

klatukatt · 12-09-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan

That is an assumption you shouldn't make. Nedless to say, pro-choicers can have very different opinions regarding when abortion should be legitimate.

My personal view on this - abortion should primarily be the woman's right to choose. Dissatisfaction with the foetus's sex may be a rather bad reason to have an abortion, but ultimately it's the woman's choice that matters most. Late abortions generally require special conditions to be performed. However, prohibitting women to have early abortions because the have the "wrong" reasons is not the way to go. The woman's choice should be respected (at least legally) no matter how stupid her reasons are.

Even white supremisists have the right to teach their children whatever they want.

GreyMouser · 12-10-2006, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by klatukatt

I would LOVE to get married right now. However, it is not financially feasable right now.

And it is a woman's right to choose, but give me a break. If you are going through all this work in the first place, are you really going to be upset if your baby isn't the correct gender?

If you want a certian gender that much (and are prepared enough to take care of a child) why don't you just adopt?

Well, I live in a culture- Chinese, Taiwan- where it still does matter very much- we do have a girl shortage here, though being a more modern economy it hasn't reached the drastic stages you see in China or India, where there's going to be a shortage of tens of millions of brides in the next generation.

Interestingly,most Westerners who adopt prefer girls- supposedly less trouble-

- which matches up with the surplus Third-World babies available.

p.s.- as someone who's been married fifteen years- it's never financially feasible

BeardofPants · 12-10-2006, 01:56 AM

Exactly. Damned Jews. [/sarcasm]

I gotta echo pretty much what Jon wrote with regards to sex-selected abortion. I will support a woman's right to make that decision, but personally, I think that's a pretty piss-poor reason to get an abortion. And having had one or two myself, I know that it's not the easiest or most comfortable procedure to undergo, so I don't know why anyone would want to get their insides sucked out simply because they didn't get their sex of choice.

captain carrot · 12-10-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RÃ*an

I think the best way by far is to save sex for marriage, but you need to go with what you think is best for you, according to your beliefs.

For those who think abortion is fine, are you OK, then, with sex-selection abortion? (i.e., if you want one sex and you're carrying the other, you abort) I would assume that if you think a woman has the right to choose abortion, then sex-selection abortion would be fine with you.

Unless you are God almighty Ri, do not pre-suppose to judge the thoughts of others ... less thou be making an idolatory of yourself?

is that not sin?

But since you have previously argued animal sex as the equivalent of human ... i'd suggest you re-think either your argument strategy, or your take on pre-supposing what others' either think, or what actually their argument is.

or, failing that- be open to the charges made against you previously, that you are not playing straight games ...

takes ye pick, Ri - but one thing you cannot do, is play all three at once.

Choose your ground and stand on it - fair-play -

attempt to twist logic or agument on fanciful arguments or logic or combinations of 'em ... ..then accept you will flounder on such.

Best, CC

Lief Erikson · 12-10-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RÃ*an

For those who think abortion is fine, are you OK, then, with sex-selection abortion? (i.e., if you want one sex and you're carrying the other, you abort) I would assume that if you think a woman has the right to choose abortion, then sex-selection abortion would be fine with you.

BB, she said that she would assume so because it logically follows, but she was simultaneously asking this as a question, as shown in the part of her comment that I put in bold. She wasn't prejudging other people.

I, on the other hand, am prejudging other people right now. I'm prejudging you to be my friend BB

. Dost mine arrow hit the mark? It's good to see you again!

captain carrot · 12-10-2006, 05:19 PM

wotcha Lief.

The thing i find dis-ingenuous with Rian's question, is the continous attempt at logic that is to imply by a vague association one ideal with another completely seperate one, with a very skewed and deliberate intention of deflecting a problematical ethic or question.

I guess, in truth my main problem with it, is that it is so crudely done ... it rather insults our collective intelligence.

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12-06-2006, 02:32 PM	#825
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	Well then better just fill in that crack with cement and seal that puppy up for good then. Because abstinence isnt 100% effective either in a human population, as the will can loosen over time... or over a glass of wine... __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

12-10-2006, 01:56 AM	#837
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Exactly. Damned Jews. [/sarcasm] I gotta echo pretty much what Jon wrote with regards to sex-selected abortion. I will support a woman's right to make that decision, but personally, I think that's a pretty piss-poor reason to get an abortion. And having had one or two myself, I know that it's not the easiest or most comfortable procedure to undergo, so I don't know why anyone would want to get their insides sucked out simply because they didn't get their sex of choice. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

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12-05-2006, 07:08 PM	#823
klatukatt Entmoot's Drunken Uncle Join Date: May 2005 Location: ghost Posts: 1,792	Oooh, snap! Wait, that was at me. Darn. Surgery is not a bad way to go. Get your tubes tied, vasectomy, no babies! I heard of a doctor that got sued because he tube tied a bunch of girls when they came in for their third abortion in so many months. Non-consentual surgery is bad. Before we get back onto abortion, the worst part about surgery is the needle with the novicane. Hurts like a B*tch! Anyway, abortions are not that good for you, but neither are babies. I have chosen the chemical solution to all of this. What do you guys think of that?

12-07-2006, 04:27 AM	#827
klatukatt Entmoot's Drunken Uncle Join Date: May 2005 Location: ghost Posts: 1,792	It's true. If I have a cigarette while on this stuff, there is somthing like a 90% chance that I will get have an anurism and die. Of course, the nicotine distilled out of a single cigarette is enough to give a heart attack to anyone.

12-07-2006, 04:52 PM	#830
klatukatt Entmoot's Drunken Uncle Join Date: May 2005 Location: ghost Posts: 1,792	I practice abstiance. Whenever I can't get any, I abstain.

12-10-2006, 05:19 PM	#840
captain carrot Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 138	wotcha Lief. The thing i find dis-ingenuous with Rian's question, is the continous attempt at logic that is to imply by a vague association one ideal with another completely seperate one, with a very skewed and deliberate intention of deflecting a problematical ethic or question. I guess, in truth my main problem with it, is that it is so crudely done ... it rather insults our collective intelligence. ...................................