Gays, lesbians, bisexuals - Page 42

Insidious Rex · 11-29-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotesse

Absolutely. I belong to the ambidextrous blonde Italian-Irish bisexual agnostic community, myself.

You forgot "wine drinking" and "Tolkien loving".

Insidious Rex · 11-29-2005, 06:16 PM

And Italian-Irish! Thats quite a combo. Would explain the hair trigger furry you have sometimes.

Ha ha! So much for me being politically correct eh...

Which is ok I suppose since Im from the Afro-Anglo-Germano-Franco-Mohawko... err... community myself...

Insidious Rex · 11-29-2005, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RÃ*an

I think if a significant number of gay people feel like "gay community" is a valid expression, and they want to use it, then who are we to deny them the right to call themselves what they want?

Absolutely. They are allowed to be innacurate all they want. Free speech doesnt require you to be right after all. Same with the folks who speak for the "black community" and the "christian community"...

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And this thing about using the term "gay community" means that the person thinks all gay people are the same is just a strawman, IMHO.

Ha ha! Tell it to inked.

***RÃan*** · 11-29-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Absolutely. They are allowed to be innacurate all they want.

Is it your opinion, then, that the many gay people that use that term are rather stupid? They have trouble getting things right? Is that what you mean?

I'm NOT saying that that's your opinion, I'm just asking you for clarification, because it sure seems like that's what you're saying

IMO, your statement (not you, personally - your statement) is extremely offensive and arrogant, and I'm very surprised that you would make a statement like that.

***RÃan*** · 11-29-2005, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Same with the folks who speak for the "black community" and the "christian community"...

I'm a Christian and I have no problem with people using the term "Christian community". Now I DO have a problem when people assume I think a certain way solely because I'm a Christian (I've proved them wrong quite a few times), but I have no problem with the use of the term "Christian community" as a general term. I would even say myself something like "Well, I differ from the Christian community in general on that subject" or something like that. Not that I know the opinion of EVERY Christian on that subject, of course, but as a general conversational term based on available knowledge, I think it's just fine.

Insidious Rex · 11-29-2005, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RÃ*an

Is it your opinion, then, that the many gay people that use that term are rather stupid? They have trouble getting things right? Is that what you mean?

Youll notice the term I used was "inaccurate". Not stupid. Theres a big difference as I think you would know...

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Not that I know the opinion of EVERY Christian on that subject, of course, but as a general conversational term based on available knowledge, I think it's just fine.

And here is where we start getting ourselves into trouble. Because when you assume that members of a group tend to think/live/behave in a certain way then this leads to vast misconception and stereotyping and ultimately becomes a lot easier to justify things like discrimination and division. And why? Because its at its base an inaccurate term. What is considered the "christian community" in Rome is not the same as what is considered the "christian community" in rural Alabama or in Salt Lake City. So who gets to make the rules? Who gets to draw the lines? And where?

inked · 11-30-2005, 08:59 PM

OK, here are term definitions. Read throughly and thoroughly

http://www.touchstonemag.com/archive...id=18-10-036-f

Spock · 11-30-2005, 11:53 PM

oh, so you mean "fruits and nuts" is definitely out now?

those were Archie Bunkerisms

Butterbeer · 12-01-2005, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by inked

OK, here are term definitions. Read throughly and thoroughly

http://www.touchstonemag.com/archive...id=18-10-036-f

what? before we disagree with em'?

well, it's a novel appoach

Insidious Rex · 12-01-2005, 02:13 PM

So gays are a figment of their own imagination then eh? Is that the gist of it?

Spock · 12-01-2005, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

So gays are a figment of their own imagination then eh? Is that the gist of it?

is that a fruit joke

Insidious Rex · 12-01-2005, 03:22 PM

I think its more nuts really...

Spock · 12-01-2005, 03:35 PM

lmaorotf

**Nurvingiel** · 12-01-2005, 10:39 PM

LOL IRex and Spock!

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Originally Posted by inked

OK, here are term definitions. Read throughly and thoroughly

http://www.touchstonemag.com/archive...id=18-10-036-f

I didn't read the whole article; do I ever?

I stopped about here:

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Ellis says that the term actually originated in 1869 with an obscure Hungarian doctor, Benkert (or Kertbeny), and endorses its use because â€œits significanceâ€”sexual attraction to the same sexâ€”is fairly clear and definite, while it is free of any question-begging association of either favorable or unfavorable character.â€

Wordy McWord obscure Hungarian doctor. I decided to stop at a non-homophobic part. End on a good note.

Homosexual in Swedish is "homosexuell".
Article is "artikel" in Swedish, and irrelevant is "betydelselÃ¶s" (it is also "irrelevant", but I like "betydelselÃ¶s" better)

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The impression I got from the part I read was "homosexual is a new word! And it's immoral!"
Well "Google" as in "to google" is a new word, would you call that immoral? Of course not! That would be a huge leap of logic!

Maybe the author makes a cohesive connection between the two later in the article that I simply didn't read. See, that's why I like abstracts and/or introductions that give a good overview of the article or paper.

edited for spelling

Embladyne · 12-02-2005, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by inked

OK, here are term definitions. Read throughly and thoroughly

http://www.touchstonemag.com/archive...id=18-10-036-f

That was an amusing article.

I think the author has some difficulty with multiple definitions for words, and the habit words have of accruing new meanings over time, or even replacing their definitions with the complete opposite of the original. The article would have been much more effective had the author stuck to explaining why language supported his claim that the views on homosexuality have changed over time, instead of also attempting an arguement for returning to older terminology. It was far too fragmented in scope.

Hmmm, it's been forever since I've posted in this thread.

**Nurvingiel** · 12-02-2005, 06:20 AM

Embladyne, you are just awesome. It's good to have you back!

edit: woah 6700th post.

Tamuril Sirfalas · 12-02-2005, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

My input on bisexuality... hm. I don't really have much of one, to tell you the truth. It's not like I don't care about bisexual people, I just don't really have an opinion. Of course most, if not all of my opinions about gay and lesbian people are about the rights I believe they should have. I think bisexual people deserve those same rights, which would be the same ones as straight people.

Human rights are for all human beings.

hear! hear! i agree, bisexuals should have the same rights as straight people. being a bisexual, i think what you are saying is not only good, but has a point to it

rohirrim TR · 12-03-2005, 11:27 AM

don't they already have the same rights as everyone else? i mean our rights are inalienable regardless of race, gender, or orientation.

Spock · 12-03-2005, 12:20 PM

The same basic human rights, yes. But while they wish to be outside the moral compass, they want greater rights. IMO, you can't have it both ways.

Butterbeer · 12-03-2005, 12:24 PM

unless you are bisexual.

11-29-2005, 06:16 PM	#822
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	And Italian-Irish! Thats quite a combo. Would explain the hair trigger furry you have sometimes. Ha ha! So much for me being politically correct eh... Which is ok I suppose since Im from the Afro-Anglo-Germano-Franco-Mohawko... err... community myself... __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

11-30-2005, 08:59 PM	#827
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	OK, here are term definitions. Read throughly and thoroughly http://www.touchstonemag.com/archive...id=18-10-036-f __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

11-30-2005, 11:53 PM	#828
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	oh, so you mean "fruits and nuts" is definitely out now? those were Archie Bunkerisms __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

12-01-2005, 02:13 PM	#830
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	So gays are a figment of their own imagination then eh? Is that the gist of it? __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

12-01-2005, 03:22 PM	#832
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	I think its more nuts really... __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

12-01-2005, 03:35 PM	#833
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	lmaorotf __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

12-03-2005, 12:20 PM	#839
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	The same basic human rights, yes. But while they wish to be outside the moral compass, they want greater rights. IMO, you can't have it both ways. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

12-03-2005, 12:24 PM	#840
Butterbeer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: here and there Posts: 3,514	unless you are bisexual.

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