02-15-2003, 05:57 PM | #821 | |
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Here is another reason why Iraq is full of bs. This is an excerpt from an article (I saw this press conference too) where Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister, Tariq Aziz, speaks to the press:
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02-15-2003, 06:09 PM | #822 | |
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02-15-2003, 08:53 PM | #823 | |
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If you want to know how bad the feelings are with France and Germany here in the US - a friend of mine who is actually against the war now called me today. Not saying hi or anything he said "**** the French". Just to let you know his step grandmother is french, who he has actually always gotten along with and he has always wanted to go to France. The comments made and the condscending attitude of the French at the UN about them being an old country and therefore some how superior in judging how to deal with the Iraq situation was completely uncalled for. I do like Colin Powell's response when he started his speech and he said "as the representive of the oldest democracy on the security council" that was great. France's attitude that since they are an older country and therefore somehow superior to the US is EXACTLY the attitude of Europe that pisses me off. By the way - even the admins and mods were getting pissed at some of the American hatred and anti-semitic stuff that was being said in those passt threads. You can deny that there was a lot of Anti-American comments going around by europeans, you and even some Americans all you want I just wish those threads weren't deleted so people could see even a small fraction of what was being said. What I've said is tame compared to the things that were directed at us. I still do have some PMs that I have saved where people had expressed their outrage to me over the constant American bashing during that timeframe. Also - if that wasn't as prevalent as I have said then there would NOT have been any reason to start politcal threads and have to postfix them with "(NO American Bashing)".
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02-15-2003, 11:02 PM | #824 |
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I found it interesting that France was the only country that actually had an increase in their favorable view of Americans. But as I was thinking - with a number being as low as France has always thought of - it most likely could only go up. Quote:
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02-15-2003, 11:34 PM | #826 | |
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02-15-2003, 11:40 PM | #827 | |
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*shrugs* Luckily it's the US's problem.......with even more luck anti-americanism might get our muppet of a prime minister to realise that he cannot afford to ignore popular opinion either (although I'm not holding my breath). Wasn't it a good turn-out at the peace rallies today? |
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02-15-2003, 11:41 PM | #828 | |
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02-16-2003, 12:00 AM | #831 | |
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69%? Impressive........although I think I'll stick with^^^38% sounds a bit more optimistic.
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Although hang on.........didn't he just do that?........sound familiar? I'll leave you with a nice little light reading.... http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story...896587,00.html And a few Cartoons .......Because you seem to like them Last edited by Coney : 02-16-2003 at 12:34 AM. |
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But as is usual with the French - we had to be almost guaranteed of winning before they got involved to help us militarily. I also found it ironic that you had to go all the way to 1776 to find an event where the French helped us.
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02-16-2003, 03:20 AM | #835 | |
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Coney, your thought processes are warped. You are providing information that does nothing but prove you are misinformed. No one here is calling the French or Europe "enemies" as you like to call them, with the exception of my counter point to yours. You are trying to school us on American history and points of reference that mean nothing short of propaganda pieces. If you really want to get into an Historical debate, let's do this, I will be more than happy to break out my History degrees to counter every single point you try and make. Actually instead, let's start with this: American involvement, cases where we have helped the French:
Now, those are only two instances where we have done something selfless for the world and France, and look at the costs we incurred. The monetary aspect is truly nothing compared to the number of lives taken and wounded. Think about how many kids lost fathers, how many kids never got 1 second with their fathers, how many families went on broken, how many people lived on alone, how many people who didn't have the chance to say goodbye, and so on. When you can talk with powerful figures as those and compare what we have given only to get smacked in the face years down the road, then we have something to talk about. Until then do yourself a favor and know what you speak of before you type your posts. I have no problem with your opinions, in fact I am glad you have them, however, if you want to play a game of semantics then you should bring better stuff to the table cuz my gloves are off....
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02-16-2003, 03:23 AM | #836 |
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damn double post
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Sig changed. Better now?
JD, I'm tired of saying this, but I have never been anti-American. If I'm anti- anything, it is anti-war, or anti-bush administration.
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02-16-2003, 03:46 AM | #838 |
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I would just like to make this clear once and for all.
America does not want to fight or have war!! We only do so when we feel it absolutely necessary!!! Colin Powell said it best the other day, "Force is only the last resort, but it must be a resort!" That is all...
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen Last edited by Dúnedain : 02-16-2003 at 03:47 AM. |
02-16-2003, 03:52 AM | #839 | |
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Iraq is the Chairman of the Disarmament Committee and Libya is the Chairman of the Human Rights Committee. If you think that the UN has any moral reason for being after those two appointments - then you are truly ignorant. As I've said - I think the US should pull it's troops ouit of everywhere. Let's pull them out of the Middle East, our of Africa, out of Europe, out of Asia. I want to see how long it take the Middle east to launch an attack on each other, how long it takes North Korea to invade South Korea. Then I want you guys to call up France and ask them to handle the situation. Based on what they just gave away in the Ivory Coast - I think world will be very sorry to be following the damn French.
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Here is an article that JD showed me today. It is based off of the Iraqi-American point of view:
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I don't think you can get more to the point than that. This is from people who have witnessed Iraq at it's worst and who hate Saddam. These are Iraqi people who can actually speak their minds and not worry about the consequences....
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