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GrayMouser, I'm not trying to ignore your post, I'm... pondering it. Frankly, I'm at a loss for how best to respond. It doesn't exactly shake my faith, but I'm not sure I can carry the ball on this one. Maybe Rian or Lief Erikson can do you justice... they seem a bit more clear-headed than I feel most times. If they don't, I'll keep thinking on it and give it a whirl later.
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03-16-2004, 01:35 PM | #823 | |
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Now be openminded as you look at this, this will be an angle on religion that many of you have never really looked at before... In christianity you have god, the one, omnipresent, all powerful, and in laymans terms simply the guy at the top. One level down you have the archangels, entities such as michael...and fallen archangels, such as Lucifer*satan or the devil*. One level down from that you have the regular angels, and aparently when armageddon comes the soldiers of god. Look at another religion like Witchcraft.*again, on the surface polar opposites, but when you break it down, very similar* In witchcraft you have what is simply called 'the one'. This entity is beyond comprehension, and again is omipresent and all powerful...again in laymans terms, the guy at the top. One level down in witchcraft you now have the goddess and the god. *herein lies another...qualm i guess you could say...but i'll leave that for another post and stay on topic here* The goddess is everpresent in the night, her main symbol is the moon. The god is everpresent in the day, his main symbol is the sun. Below that you have the elementals, much like angels they are powerful yet not commanding entities, and if need be, they would be the spiritual soldiers. In all religions, regardless of which one, you have the god, you have demi-gods *or in christianity, archangels, simply a different name for the same thing* and you have powerful spiritual entities. Like I said, it's a view that you have to keep yourself openminded to truly grasp, I realize that many people who firmly believe in their own religion and believe that any other religion is simply boiled down to herecy will see this as an unfounded comparism. So be it, this is simply my own observation... something that i have found to trancent all religions and has been a common link throughout all. If I had the ability, I would instantly combine all religions into one true, and unified conciousness...however different cultures have different interpretations on spirituality, and one consistent, perfect religious structure will not come around any time soon.
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03-16-2004, 02:15 PM | #826 |
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You cant have one religion, it wont work. You cant have a compromise either, too many different opinions. The spirituality does work, if you have faith. That is what most religions seem to be about, am i right? There is no quantifiable proof that any one religion is the right one, or even that any are right at all, so what are you trying to get at? People cant even agree on what to put on a pizza, so what is the point of unifying all religions? Pretty soon, you would have little breakoffs here and there, and it would all fall apart.
By the way, sorry to chime in , just had to get my two cents in .
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I'm quite content with believing as I do, and peacefully trying to defend my beliefs and convince others of their validity... is THIS an acceptable alternative?
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IMO, this is because of the whole "fall" thing -- the choice made back at Eden to have free will. Free will can be a very good thing, but it is by nature also very divisive because my decisions are individual things -- motivated by my experiences. They will never be the same as anyone else's. So it is with religion. My boyfriend (who is not religious) cannot understand why there is so much disagreement within Christian churches. He thinks all Protestant denominations are the same somehow, and just doesn't see why they can't agree on things. I was brought up in the Lutheran church, which can't agree on anything with itself. There are many branches of Lutheranism, some as the result of national/ethnic differences (Swedes vs. Germans, etc), and some just because one group enterprets scripture one way (and that's how Luther would see it, by gum!) and another group sees it another way. Needless to say, my boyfriend finds this ludicrous. I find it hysterically funny. Bottom line -- heaven is a very big place and there's room for diversity. If you enjoy arguing about angels dancing on pinheads, enjoy your counting. I'll see you when you get there!
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communism didn't work because they supplanted the state for religion... and nationalism has all the same issues of exclusivity... they also tried to change things too quickly if i do nothing more than show a few people that you can lead a good life without religion, i'll be happy
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Compromise #1: let me live my religion and you may live yours. Compromise #2: do not impose restrictions upon my religion and I will not impose restrictions upon yours. IOW, don't make laws that tell me what your bible says is a "marriage", because this word has many meanings to many different people. |
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i'll spare you quotes from our founding fathers... but they specifically chose to make laws not based upon religion... sure many laws coincide... but many do not... even some of the ten commandments
we are a country based upon civil law
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I think Drgn's interesting comparison outlines this type of view well. Quote:
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Cheese and tomatoe sounds delicious! What about extra cheese, or three types of cheese!
(Living organisms are needed to make cheese. I hope that's okay. What exactly are the dietary limitations of Buddhism? Just no meat? I'm just curious.)
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generally, no meat
obviously i include cheeses made with sheep rennet in that but generally, i dont even have eggs and dairy, as i am vegan, how about a nice block of Soy Cheese, my favourite is the garlic and herb from my local healthfood shop |
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