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St. John the Baptist also strongly condemned them.
Mark the calendar, I never thought I'd see a non-religious fellow cautioning against the condemnation of Pharisaical types... ![]()
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![]() ![]() Oh - Aaaaand, what, exactly, does all this have to do with a thread discussion on the topic of Abortion? Just cirious, 'cause I still see nothing here, Gwaimir Windgem, from your posts ( and your homies' posts) of the last two - wait, 3 days? that has anything to do with abortion, yet everything to do with how much you're freaked out by me and the way I post. Hah! Well anyway... Ah! And another thing I thought worth POINTING OUT to you, Gwaimir Windgem; you telling me to " Try reading up on a religion before you assume to tell the followers what they believe, next time," is an incredibly ironic joke, as I was raised and taught in several different christian schools, since the age of three until the age of seventeen, as catholic, as fundamentalist reformed presbyterian, as presbyterian, as seventh-day adventist, and as lutheran. I taught mySELF how to read, using the King James version of the bible.It was the first book I ever read - I was four years old. Don't believe me? I'd love to have my mother come on to this message-board to corroborate this fact. I have had extreme religion of the christian variety shoved and cajoled and manipulated and eased and forced down my throat for the entirety of my childhood, so don't sass me, kiddo. If anyone knows christ, Lotesse does. Just thought you might like to be aware of this fact. Quote:
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For example, he very frequently in the scripture told people to leave their lives of sin. And yet he said that he himself did not judge. Thus he gave a command and applied it to himself as well, and when he said do not judge, he meant do not judge people. That is why even from the cross, he forgave those who were torturing him to death. That was a refusal to judge people, though he frequently judged the morality of actions. Quote:
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Since we are so far off-topic, Lotesse, I won't respond to most of what you said, but I will just say:
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And as far as being afraid to stand up for my religion, you have no idea. That is one of my strong suits, and I do not fail to do so, as anyone on this board with the slightest modicum of impartiality can tell you. It is absurd to level such a charge against me. I will never fail to do so, I can tell you right here. And with that, O mods, I am finished with this off-topic excursion. <insert more triumphalist caricatures from Lotesse, and this should be finished>
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I am proud of my point of views, I do stick with them and do like it when I am identified with them. However, I don't like being pulled into a fight.
Lief Erikson, I do want to save others lives. I don't like the idea of abortion. I do believe that it is killing another person, tiny though they be. What I was saying, and what isn't I realize wasn't very obvious, is that I won't stand outside an abortion clinic and yell and threaten sobbing, terrified women. Not all of them are sobbing or terrified, that is just a generalization from videos and pictures that I've seen. Even though I say that I try not to bully (no one's perfect...don't yell at me later if I do end up bullying) my friends and those I talk with on the subject do know how I feel and what I believe. Even my friend who had an unwanted pregnancy knew how I felt about what she did. Also, Lief Erikson, I do want to save those babies that are aborted...but that want to save lives also extends to the mothers. Both their mortal life and immortal life. (Wow...that sounded very...pompous of me.)
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![]() Anyway, Snowmane, I don't want to drag you into a fight; heck, it wasn't a fight at ALL until very recently, when some off-topic name-calling was started on the 23rd ![]() ![]() I agree with you that yelling and terrifying women outside of an abortion clinic is wrong. My friend works at a community pregnancy center and it's all about telling women about resources and things that they usually don't know are available. It's about supporting them and giving them more information with which to make their own choice. Quote:
As far as pushing your beliefs on others, well, if you vote, you'll be doing just that, along with everyone else. And everyone's voice should be heard, IMO. And I think thoughtful, courteous discussion threads are a great thing, so we can hear more thoughts and beliefs and think about them. Ones like this get kinda lively, but usually are not at ALL fights. The vast majority of people here don't fight.
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Master'sBaneSwiftSnowmane, I agree with everything in your post responding to mine.
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I know that being asked questions then answering them isn't a fight. But, things were getting a bit...tense earlier and it seemed like I popped up in the middle of it. I just don't like loud conflicts. Even though this is text, the words yell inside my head. (Great, now you all think I'm a nutter who hears yelling voices).
As far as voting goes, I'm only 17. I will be able to vote during the next presidential election however! I can't wait for that. When I do vote in that election (assuming that nothing happens that will keep me from voting) I will be one of the few members of my family to acctually have a political point of view! Huzzah! Back to abortion. I have a different question. How safe or physically sound is an abortion procedure? I have no idea how it's done or any kind of follow-up for the mom, but I think the legality of abortion should also be affected by just how safe it is.
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This is the post which Lotesse made, which, mysteriously and inexplicably, caused Gwaimir Windgem, a single person who posts in this large message-board, to decide it was aimed directly at him, and him alone. He decides that Lotesse is calling him a republican - and that this is somehow pejorative. He decides that Lotesse is specifically calling him a christian, and/or a fundie, and that this, too, is pejorative. He decides that the term "huff and guff" is pejorative, and refers to himself. Based upon all of these self-manufactured assumptions, he decides to attack Lotesse. One wonders why Gwaimir Windgem chose to pick a fight with Lotesse, when Lotesse, from the beginning, clearly displayed no malice, no intent to injure, no untowardness at all, when she made her friendly, positive welcome-back post to Master's Bane Swift Snowmane. Lotesse feels it is hilarious, and very telling, that a certain moral majority extant within this message-board seems to go out of their collective way to search, and peck and grasp at anything, anything that they can find or trump up or spin to discredit her, or gang up on her, since she obviously possesses a frank and open mind, and is fearless and truthful about what she believes and who she is. Lotesse would like to point out, as well, that yes, she did "know christ" for a time, not just "know of him," and she and christ got in a fight and now they no longer hang out. Having been a non-christian for as long as she has been, (at least 15 years now,) she sees more, and more, and more the gang mentality and destructive bully aspect of the American Christian Moralists who despise and fear and strive to legislate against those who do not think and believe as they do. If you will all note, this knee-jerk reactionism and panicky disdain has been vividly and extensively demonstrated in this thread against Lotesse over the last four days, from the very group of people she noted in the above post might be inclined to offer huff and, yes, guff. They certainly obliged, didn't they? So, Cast the first stone, ye who is without sin. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Be not afraid to entertain strangers, for therefore some have entertained angels unawares. Pride cometh before the fall. Oh, and this: Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. Do everything without complaint or arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe. Philippians 2:3, 4 & 2:14, 15 Or whatever. But next time, Gwaimir Windgem, it might be advisable to refrain yourself from jumping to wild and personal conclusions when there was nothing whatsoever negative directed either at you, specifically, or at any other person or group you may identify yourself with. When i said be aware of christian fundie republican huff and guff, I meant exactly what I said, but in no way, shape or form was my statement intended to be an insult. Or a praise, for that matter. It was merely a statement of friendly fact, nothing more. ![]() And with that, I'm out. I have no desire nor compulsion to argue my stance on abortion with you gentle folk here; I dislike these sorts of online endless fruitless unsatisfying and in the end, pointless arguments for or against a so-called "hot topic," especially when religion is involved. Ciao, kids, and have fun! Oh - a parting caveat: Just keep on your toes for those crazy democrat, independent-party, liberal, atheist agnostic wingnuts out there; they're sure to give you an erratic dose of the ol' huff and guff now and again, and this is how it should be. There'd be no huff nor guff if no one had the moxie to make a stand for what they believed in, now would there? So party on, kids! Ciao - ![]()
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But I don't think safety/easiness of something determines whether or not it's right or not, and I bet everyone here agrees - that's why we all love LOTR! (go Frodo!) (and I don't think you're saying that it's the ONLY determining factor, Snowmane. I think that society SHOULD have a say about a publically available procedure if it has some safety concerns - that's kinda what you're saying, isn't it? Please correct me if I'm wrong!)
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SO, ABORTION... THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD... I am in favor of it. |
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Um... kay.
Women's rights, too many kids in this world already, please adopt. I'm more in favor of not getting pregnant in the first place. |
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