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rohirrim TR - ok - so where did life come from then?
Something HAS to come from something eh? It can't come from 'nothing' That is what you are saying. Ok so God or some higher being created everything - where did that higer being come from? It/he/she/whatever could not have just always been there or suddenly appear. Because things don't suddenly appear, they have to be created :P Right? So going by that, Creationism is absolutely NO CLEARER. If you think otherwise, you are turning a blind eye.
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Well, you are of course, assuming that God is subject to the laws of the physical universe which doesn't make much sense. If he were, he wouldn't be God, wouldn't be able to create anything, wouldn't be able to cause the flood, or anything else.
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An interesting statement but it ignores the fact that our perception of "the laws of the physical universe" might be imperfect.
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If students don't know what a theory is, then that is their problem. Evolution is not elevated over any other theory in Science.
The reason why it is singled out is obvious - religion. Some seem to think that it goes against their religious beliefs. We have seen a couple people in this topic state that life would be meaningless if life was random. That is it.
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If students don't know what a theory is, then that is their problem. Evolution is not elevated over any other theory in Science.
The reason why it is singled out is obvious - religion. Some seem to think that it goes against their religious beliefs. We have seen a couple people in this topic state that life would be meaningless if life was random. That is it.
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a scientist creating life from nothing but basic elements and energy would be pretty impressive i think it goes back to the original basis for the theory of evolution... we see it on a small scale and project it on a larger one... yet there is no observable kernal of "godlike" power in our world to project from
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a scientist creating life from nothing but basic elements and energy would be pretty impressive i think it goes back to the original basis for the theory of evolution... we see it on a small scale and project it on a larger one... yet there is no observable kernal of "godlike" power in our world to project from
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Well, again, it depends on your worldview. I look at the evidence presented and find 6,000 to make sense.
The geneologies in the Bible add up to around 6000 if that's what you're asking. And yes, looking around at the evidence presented, that makes perfect sense to me. |
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that is perfectly acceptable, but once again, it is not science
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Well, I'm maintaining that before the universe was created, there was no time. The direct quote is, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." This means to me that this is the beginning of time. I know that it is a difficult subject to grasp but it is fairly well-accepted in the scientific community that time is just as integral a part of our universe as space. Therefore, if God created time, there wouldn't have to be a point where he did not exist, or a time period where he was existing before creating the universe.
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First thing, what you see is animals with the genetic 'equipment' to survive living while the others die. No new information is created. It is only lost. There has _never_ been a documented case of new genetic information being created. Yet this would be necessary in order for us to be decended from a one-celled creature with a limited genetic structure.
You also see genetic mutations. In order to fill in this gap that is left when you take natural selection away as a process of evolution, evolutionist scientists have come to rely on genetic mutation, followed by natural selection, as the main process. Again, there is no evidence of this having _ever_ happened, but you rely on it to support your theory. I have absolutely no delusions about trying to prove the existence of God. I simply state that those who believe this are no less scientific than a person who tries to explain existence on the assumption that He doesn't exist. |
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First thing, what you see is animals with the genetic 'equipment' to survive living while the others die. No new information is created. It is only lost. There has _never_ been a documented case of new genetic information being created. Yet this would be necessary in order for us to be decended from a one-celled creature with a limited genetic structure.
You also see genetic mutations. In order to fill in this gap that is left when you take natural selection away as a process of evolution, evolutionist scientists have come to rely on genetic mutation, followed by natural selection, as the main process. Again, there is no evidence of this having _ever_ happened, but you rely on it to support your theory. I have absolutely no delusions about trying to prove the existence of God. I simply state that those who believe this are no less scientific than a person who tries to explain existence on the assumption that He doesn't exist. |
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back when they were getting ready to walk on the moon they had supossed that the earth was millions years old and by using those numbers they calculated that the silt collected on the moon would be several feet deep, they then developed a boot that would act like a snow shoe so the astronauts wouldn't sink, when they actually got to the moon the silt was about a few inches indicating that the earth is a lot younger than they had supposed
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